choosing the right reg

[bakerboy4679]

choosing the right reg:

What should i get? I've been looking at Kapp's products, and they have cheap stuff. for example:

Kapp Rhino Reg, $25
http://www.kappproducts.com/products-autococker-accessories-rhino-reg.html

Rock reg, $48.99 and up
http://www.kappproducts.com/products-autococker-accessories-rock-regulator.html

Obviously the Rock is better, but is the Rhino so bad? Its so much cheaper(great for my budget)..

So, im wondering what i should do. I really would like to get that cheap one, but is it the type of reg that will poop out on me later on? is it a bad investment?

[MasterOfPupets]

Consistency is what really matters. The more consistant your lpr, the more consistant your velocity, and the more consistant your accuracy.

[vaypourus]

I had this same question a while back, and I had decided to go with the Rock over the more expensive SCM2.

This was based on the fact that the Palmer Micro Rock was a proven performer, and I knew it would do the job very well. For the extra money, I didn't think the performance would really be that much different. i came to this conclusion with the help of my fellow tribesmen.

I live near Victor NY, which is home to Ethan and the Freeflow autococker. They can't say enough good about the palmer stuff. When I was going to build a cocker some several years ago, they told me to stick with the Palmer stuff over other brands, just becuase the performance was that much better.

[MasterOfPupets]

The big thing with the SCM is the fact that it's pressure compensating. The way your air flows through the gun is like so:

Tank - Tank Reg - Inline Reg - LPR - noid.

Now, as the pressure in the tank drops, the output pressure from the tank reg rises. When that happens, the greater input on the inline causes a lesser output. Then, with the lesser input to the LPR, most will have a greater output. The SCM automatically compensates for this, making it the most consistant (in theory, I've never actually tested one). This change, while seaming miniscule, is enough for some people. I'd honestly go with the mini-rock. It's simply the best bang for the buck LPR you can get.

[bakerboy4679]

so u guys are saying the more expensive one is the best? keep in mind, i can always refill my tank if needed, to keep the presure up. What im saying is:

Is the consistancy just horrible w/ the $25 dollar one? Even if i keep the air in my tank above, say, 1,000psi?

[vaypourus]

The consistancy of the reg is not really going to be affected by tank pressure, as the tanks reg and the vertical HPR will already be regulating the pressure. Most of the newer tanks and newer regs have a pretty good flow, so the pressure dropping really isn't going to be an issue, as long as the pressure doesn't drop below 600 psi.

The consistancy is going to come from the LPR itself. A consistant LPR will mean your shot to shot is consistant (given that the other equipment works as it is suppose to).

You really have to ask yourself, "what makes the Micro Rock perform as well as it does, and why does it cost $50?". You should then ask yourself "why does a similar product cost $25?"

Kapp being a much larger company can kick out thier products at a better price, but I am sure that there is another reason why a Rhino only cost half as much.

My general rule of thumb is that you get what you pay for, and the Palmer equipment is no exception.

You should also ask yourself why most of your other high end guns use the Micro Rocks, the SCM/SCM2s, and the JDS regs for the LPRs, and not the Kapp Rhino. If it really was a better product, I think you would see it used more often. Besides the ones on the Kapp guns, I don't know anybody that uses a Rhino.

[bakerboy4679]

yeah. i agree 110% on the 'get what you pay for' thing. I just figured that since it was Kapp, maybe it was a decent product(not to say that Kapp is the best)..

Hey, i was thinking about getting one of i think it was Kaos' Torpedo regs. I know there good quality, but didnt know about hte consistancy of them. Im guessing that its good if they put them on there Timmys...

opinions?

[warpedmephisto]

I haven't heard anything about the reg, but I see some sale items on there that I'm going to get!

[MasterOfPupets]

Torpedos are really consistant and have great flow. I use one and have never had a complaint. Just make sure you have a guage on it, because when it needs lubed, it starts to creep, which does many weird things to your gun.

And the comment about the SCM, I never said Palmers was bad. I love Palmers products, and had a micro-rock on a cocker I owned. They are great and consistant. I was just stating what the big deal with the SCM is, and trust me, it does make a difference. The amount of the changes may not seem like alot, but they are noticeable (over a chrono) none-the-less.

[can'tthink of1]

I can hook you up with a chrome macdev sonic lpr for like 35 shipped, if ya want, PM me. (its not the one made for tribals, but its a cocker lpr, so you need and adapter)

Between the rock and the kapp one, go micro rock. I have one, no complaints.
As for the scm, I never heard of the pressure compensating ability. I'd like to see a test with it and the mirco rock or something. Cause I've heard nothing but great things about them. (the scm that is)

[bakerboy4679]

if i bought yours, then i'd have to buy one of ASP's adapters(only ones i could find.. in my limited search) id be into it about 70 dollars.. maybe plus shipping...

i only have 50 bucks left in my surplus for upgrades.. i have 2 choices that i can think of real quick:

1. buy the BBT electronics w/ Fury installed
or
2. get a LPR put on..

[can'tthink of1]

Uhhh, you'd need an adapter for the lpr's you are looking at already lol. Although, my twister came with teh sonic lpr attactch to the aoc cap with the aoc still in the marker, really weird, I had(have) no idea if would work, but I stripped down the twister as soon as I got it, so I never tested it.

[bakerboy4679]

well.. i'll try out this LPC, see if im satisfied, and if i'm not, i'll sell it. no biggy..

[can'tthink of1]

I forgot about this thread... But you do realize if you get any cocker lpr, you WILL need an adapter?

[bakerboy4679]

Yes i do. And i did buy electronics from Smegle5, so as soon as i get some ca$h.. i'll try to find something.. maybe buy one from Ed, so i dont have to buy an adapter..

Yup.. i've been learning...


And I have a Stock cocker lpr, i guess its a 'sledgehammer', that i could use*.
Also, if i can talk my friend out of it, i can get a Tickler(i'd much rather perfer)..

*I cant see where i could adjust the reg pressure. are they self adjusting? or do they come w/ a certain output?

[can'tthink of1]

Stock cocker lpr's, I believe adjust internally, just like the hpr's. I could be wrong thou.

[bakerboy4679]

Thats gay.. I guess i'll have to find another kind.. actually i probably wont even bother w/ a LPR...

I do have a question though, regarding a BL Torpedo reg(~kaos~'s):

Can i put a gauge on it? I see a blocker on the oposite side of the macro fitting, Does it go there?

Does anyone have something for sale? preferably *micro gauge*

[Jakesak]

Yes, any torpedo has a gauge port. and yes, the sledgehammer is internally adjustable, unless you find an old one and put on a twister kit, but that is a whole nother can of worms.
There is a way you can put a lpr on a tribal via simply tapping the front cap and such, but the details I am not sure about. The LPR adaptor is easier.