pinching ram for B2K....can we fit it in a tribal?

[B2KtinkerR]

http://www.blueforkdesign.us/mediac/400_0/media/GBR-CYLINDER-a.jpg

dude this ram pinches....i have stopped using eyes

you guys need a way to mod a tribal or this ram to fit, or Greg the guy making them might make them for the guns, i been trying to convince him that the Tribal group might want some

would just need a new housing i would think, that cant be too hard.

[DeuceX]

Hmm interesting concept, I'm sure it could be modified to use in a tribal, or he could sell the plans to Edwin.

Get him to contact Edwin!

[Dances with Tribals]

Yea edwin could make it work!

[DeuceX]

I just want Edwin to make a fucking new ram!!!

I don't care if utilizes Krispy Kreme technology (not that Edwin would ever use it, he hates the KK!)

[DeuceX]

Or Andy.

Come on guys!!!!

I want a KK Edition Ram for my Addicted!!!

[Spitlebug]

Morning all,

I am the Co-designer of the GBR anti-chop ram for the Bushmaster platform. Initially it was a design to produce a fully field strippable ram that was more efficient than the stock ram. The Anti-chop aspect was actually an after thought and something that was easy to implement and allowed for even greater efficiency. Anyways, if you guys are interested in this ram I am 100% sure I can port it to the Tribal platform. As I don't have a Tribal, I'd have to talk to someone who knows a little more about Tribal rams (my knowledge is fair, but not good enough on that aspect).

I don't think I'd be looking to sell these, but I can draw up the plans and if you have someone who can manufacture them...

[Edwin]

Sorry I missed this thread.

I just shot off an email to Spitlebug. Maybe we can get something started on a new ram for Tribals!!!

[Dances with Tribals]

Alright sounds good!

[DeuceX]

Awesome Edwin, thanks Spitlebug, consider yourself an official contributor to the Tribal legend! I've been waiting for a stock ram replacement for a long time just to replace my aging and worn rams, something better than stock? Hell yeah!

Now that's something I could see myself buying half a dozen of, once I get some money back in the bank hah.

[Dances with Tribals]

I could provide the ram and body of my defunct bbt when it arrives (stupid overseas slow military mailing system :cussing2: ).

[B2KtinkerR]

thanks Spitlebug, consider yourself an official contributor to the Tribal legend!

what am i chopped liver? remember who introduced this to you guys


Spittle...Greg seems willing as well

[DeuceX]

Haha well throw yourself into that category too, have to say I'm a little excited to see a new ram for the tribal!

Once again thanks guys!

*Edit*

I would also like to add that I can supply some parts to get this up and going as well, I have a few bodies and parts sitting around that would be perfect!

[Dances with Tribals]

How about titanium rams? Someone just made new titanium rams for the fusions and there priced at only 35 bux. Strong, light and cheap. The perfect combo!

[Spitlebug]

what am i chopped liver?

Yes. :littlede:

Spittle...Greg seems willing as well

That's all I needed to hear. For those of you who aren't in the know Greg, is the former head tech for ICD (10 years+). I co-designed the Bushmaster Ram with him.

[Dances with Tribals]

Sweet. A new ram will complete the ultimate tribal!

[Spitlebug]

Edwin,

Is your LPRC the same or similar to the TILPR and AOC?

[Dances with Tribals]

I can answer that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by edwin

I like the LPRC as you just pull out the AOC and put in the LPRC.

Both the TILPR and the LPR Adapter require some sort of mod/extra effort to install.

I like the TILPR, as it is the neatest and it actuall adds more volume than the orginal AOC.

The LPRC is probably the best.


The LPRC is similar to the tlpr but the tlpr is internal and the lprc is external and requires no modification to install.

[Spitlebug]

I see, but the AOC and TILPR can work together? I am not sure what you deem as internal and external. To me, anything that actually has a piece that goes inside is internal... or at least the major operating piece.

[DeuceX]

The AOC is the stock low pressure regulator to help clear things up. A piece of shit btw.

[Dances with Tribals]

I see, but the AOC and TILPR can work together? I am not sure what you deem as internal and external. To me, anything that actually has a piece that goes inside is internal... or at least the major operating piece.

the tilpr does not stick out of the marker. It is flush with the marker like the stock aoc. The lprc sticks out an inch or so from the marker. The tilpr takes the place of the aoc, as well as the lprc. The lpc is the only one that works with the aoc.

[Spitlebug]

The AOC is the stock low pressure regulator to help clear things up. A piece of shit btw.

Ahh, you see I knew there was a reason I liked Tribal owners. They suffer the same downfalls ICD Owners do. :doh:

the tilpr does not stick out of the marker. It is flush with the marker like the stock aoc. The lprc sticks out an inch or so from the marker. The tilpr takes the place of the aoc, as well as the lprc. The lpc is the only one that works with the aoc.

I figured as much, I just wanted the clarification.

[Dances with Tribals]

Ahh, you see I knew there was a reason I liked Tribal owners. They suffer the same downfalls ICD Owners do.

LMAO glad we can help.

[Spitlebug]

You guys still use the backplates that cover the ram?

[Dances with Tribals]

Yea for the most part. But the project im working on, the backplate is coming off and all that extra metal and such is being milled off!

[Spitlebug]

Is that a general consensus or should I wait to hear from other users? Those of you that are using backplates,do you use toggle switches or push button style?

[Dances with Tribals]

Is that a general consensus or should I wait to hear from other users? Those of you that are using backplates,do you use toggle switches or push button style?

Id prolly wait but i imagine most people do. And as for the switches all of mine have been switches not buttons.

[DeuceX]

To play it safe, the majority of tribals use the backplates.

Only Mephistos come from the factory with a blank (thus just a cover) backplate. There also might be some early prototype that use the early electronics and thus no electronics in the backplate.

[Edwin]

Backplate topic.

On the stock electronics for all the markers except Mephisto, there is a PCB, with LEDs, a switch and a charging recpt, so most users are going to need a flush mount ram like the original unless they want to change their electronics. and leave the back plate off.

Removable ram styles are real nice, as you can re-lube the ram much easier than Tribals.

Your ram design will help with this, but we still have the problem of fighting with the electronics to get the ram out. This is just a design flaw that we have to work around since we are Tribal owners.




Here is the Kicker for you Tribal Owners....everyone (several) is talking about a new ram now, but when I/We produce these where is everyone going to be? I still have LPRCs and TILPRs sitting on the shelves, and I only produced 100 TILPRs and less than 50 LPRCs....so I don't want to get everyone's hopes too high as we still need to break even to make this happen.

As for Titanium Rams......I would love to do that but I doubt they would be any where near $35.00.

I looked into RAMs in the past and the bad part of new RAM is the cost......Tribals have been selling pretty low lately (last 2 years) and there aren't many people who want to pay for new Aftermarket parts (save Shifty), so we will take a good look at this and let you guys know.

[B2KtinkerR]

Ahh, you see I knew there was a reason I liked Tribal owners. They suffer the same downfalls ICD Owners do. :doh:
yeah i always thought that Tribals and B2K Owners were related in a Tech sense, its nice to see their perspective in modding stuff
Removable ram styles are real nice, as you can re-lube the ram much easier than Tribals.
the GBR makes that insanely easy compared to the stock B2K ram

Here is the Kicker for you Tribal Owners....everyone (several) is talking about a new ram now, but when I/We produce these where is everyone going to be? I still have LPRCs and TILPRs sitting on the shelves, and I only produced 100 TILPRs and less than 50 LPRCs....so I don't want to get everyone's hopes too high as we still need to break even to make this happen.

I looked into RAMs in the past and the bad part of new RAM is the cost......Tribals have been selling pretty low lately (last 2 years) and there aren't many people who want to pay for new Aftermarket parts (save Shifty), so we will take a good look at this and let you guys know.
this is the same problem the B2K community is having as well, the B2K body is still really good compared to todays designs, but no one is going to start buying them again used to mod them with the latest parts, most will just buy that new gun anyways.......its a shame, when people ask me what electronic gun to buy i say buy what everyone else gets if you don't want to learn how to work on a gun, and buy a B2K if you want something cheep and learn

if only all the stuff for the B2K wasn't available when it first came out.....or even in 2004 or 2003....it would be an interesting situation

[Edwin]

this is the same problem the B2K community is having as well, the B2K body is still really good compared to todays designs, but no one is going to start buying them again used to mod them with the latest parts, most will just buy that new gun anyways.......its a shame, when people ask me what electronic gun to buy i say buy what everyone else gets if you don't want to learn how to work on a gun, and buy a B2K if you want something cheep and learn



I am glad you understand and relate to this problem. I would like to design several things for the Tribe, but I have to at least break even.

[B2KtinkerR]

hey if your looking to do one offs how much would it cost per?

what about open source designs? or at least open to those who use only a few types of guns, but actually make it for the guns that it would sell for

this is one of the reasons why i posted in here, and that im glad Greg and Spittle are willing to help(in whatever way they might do so), no way in hell would i think this is ok for the Impulse or the Angel, to hell with them


this again is why i like comming in here, The Tribe has taking a different approach to modding than the B2K community, and i LOVE it!

[Dances with Tribals]

Backplate topic.

On the stock electronics for all the markers except Mephisto, there is a PCB, with LEDs, a switch and a charging recpt, so most users are going to need a flush mount ram like the original unless they want to change their electronics. and leave the back plate off.

Removable ram styles are real nice, as you can re-lube the ram much easier than Tribals.

Your ram design will help with this, but we still have the problem of fighting with the electronics to get the ram out. This is just a design flaw that we have to work around since we are Tribal owners.




Here is the Kicker for you Tribal Owners....everyone (several) is talking about a new ram now, but when I/We produce these where is everyone going to be? I still have LPRCs and TILPRs sitting on the shelves, and I only produced 100 TILPRs and less than 50 LPRCs....so I don't want to get everyone's hopes too high as we still need to break even to make this happen.

As for Titanium Rams......I would love to do that but I doubt they would be any where near $35.00.

I looked into RAMs in the past and the bad part of new RAM is the cost......Tribals have been selling pretty low lately (last 2 years) and there aren't many people who want to pay for new Aftermarket parts (save Shifty), so we will take a good look at this and let you guys know.


Yea I understand that but im on board to buy one! And i also have a lot of your aftermarket parts lined up to buy whenever that broken bbt comes in from overseas.

[DeuceX]

Well I'm up for at least a few, as long as they're under $100/pop. Guess to be on the safe side do a limited production if that's possible and see where it goes from there.

[Edwin]

Yea I understand that but im on board to buy one! And i also have a lot of your aftermarket parts lined up to buy whenever that broken bbt comes in from overseas.

Lined up? It is only a click away.....get the parts in now and when the marker arrives, you will be set.....

[Edwin]

Not sure if they are willing to have "open source" as I am about to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) with them to protect their design.

[DeuceX]

Progress is progress, I'm happy to see it go this far :GHug:

Thanks again guys:ThumbsU3:

[Dances with Tribals]

Not sure if they are willing to have "open source" as I am about to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) with them to protect their design.

Sweet steps in the right direction!

[Spitlebug]

If I had only jumped into the technical aspects of the Paintball scene a little earlier. I had the technology, just not the desire at the time.

Not sure if they are willing to have "open source" as I am about to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) with them to protect their design.

The design isn't open source, but again Greg and I are open to almost all discussions. We try to do what we can for the community in general. I am curious about the face of the Tribal hammer. It would be nice to design it so that Bushmaster/EM1 valves would also work in a Tribal. I think that would open you up to a whole new realm of efficiency.

[DeuceX]

Well better late than never.

[Spitlebug]

For those of you who were wondering. Greg sells the Bushmaster variant of this ram for $65 shipped to the continental US. That includes the ram and bolt pin. Not sure how much they would end up being for the Tribal, but that gives you a ball park figure.

[Dances with Tribals]

For those of you who were wondering. Greg sells the Bushmaster variant of this ram for $65 shipped to the continental US. That includes the ram and bolt pin. Not sure how much they would end up being for the Tribal, but that gives you a ball park figure.

thats not a bad price.

[DeuceX]

Seems easily doable for a similar price. Thanks for the heads up.

[Spitlebug]

Question... is it really important that the ram is annoed (besides hard annodize)?

[Dances with Tribals]

Question... is it really important that the ram is annoed (besides hard annodize)?

i would have to say no. Its going inside the marker anyway where we cant see it so whats the point? Though I guess the ram cap we could see if we didnt have the backplate on, but still id rather have a cheaper non-annoed ram than a more expensive annoed ram.

[DeuceX]

I agree with DwT on this one. I'm up for non-annoed if that helps keep prices down on a great ram.

[Spitlebug]

I don't know what that would amount to. I do know that Greg annodizes the Bushmaster variants black.

[DeuceX]

Well to answer your question if it matters, to us, not really. I think the Tribal community is more of a practical minded entity.

[Edwin]

The price to anodize is pretty low, and I would recommend it just to protect the aluminum. Type II Ano in black like all the other Tribal rams (save the clear or bare aluminum models).

Cost is directly proportional to Volume. Volume is directly proportional to Sales. Sales are directly proportional to Demand.

Spitlebug (from what I have read) is already on their second run of GBR for ICD markers.......I have not sold my first and only 100 unit run of TILPRs by a long shot, and they have been on the market for over 2 years. So you can see the demand isn't there. So far I have seen 2-3 requests for new rams.

DEMAND is the key to making these economically.........and that means you (Tribe).

You do the math: # of hours to design, test, manufacture x cost of that labor + cost to maufacture + cost to assemble + shipping / 3 = very high price. If we make that 100 or 1000, then we are talking about good profits or lower price. Lower price is what you want as that increases your sales.

Sorry to be a pessimist (realist). I have produced several Tribal parts that have not been profitable because the paintball market is used to purchasing items at mass produced pricing.

I had to reduce most of the prices on my site just to move a few. Take for instance the CCM feednecks, they are sold for the same price you can purchase one from other dealers, but each one is hand modified to fit Tribal Threads, therefore my time to modify these is free to the Tribe.

[Spitlebug]

Edwin, I understand what you are getting at. Consider myself a true idealist. To me it's not really about the money, but more about the design and technology. In such instances it's good to have a seasoned veteran overseeing everything. Greg is a very good Warden and he keeps me in line. :)

[Dances with Tribals]

The price to anodize is pretty low, and I would recommend it just to protect the aluminum. Type II Ano in black like all the other Tribal rams (save the clear or bare aluminum models).

Cost is directly proportional to Volume. Volume is directly proportional to Sales. Sales are directly proportional to Demand.

Spitlebug (from what I have read) is already on their second run of GBR for ICD markers.......I have not sold my first and only 100 unit run of TILPRs by a long shot, and they have been on the market for over 2 years. So you can see the demand isn't there. So far I have seen 2-3 requests for new rams.

DEMAND is the key to making these economically.........and that means you (Tribe).

You do the math: # of hours to design, test, manufacture x cost of that labor + cost to maufacture + cost to assemble + shipping / 3 = very high price. If we make that 100 or 1000, then we are talking about good profits or lower price. Lower price is what you want as that increases your sales.

Sorry to be a pessimist (realist). I have produced several Tribal parts that have not been profitable because the paintball market is used to purchasing items at mass produced pricing.

I had to reduce most of the prices on my site just to move a few. Take for instance the CCM feednecks, they are sold for the same price you can purchase one from other dealers, but each one is hand modified to fit Tribal Threads, therefore my time to modify these is free to the Tribe.

Damn...........an ultimate schooling!!!

[warpedmephisto]

Hate to say it, but Edwin is exactly right and knows first hand how it is. Personally, I don't see that large of a demand for them outside of Shifty and a handful of others. Tribals are dropping in popularity daily and the purchasing of aftermarket parts, especially pricey, low volume production parts has diminished incredibly over the past few years. People will just go out and get another cheap gun rather than upgrade their old one.

I do love the idea of a new ram, and think that it would be awesome to use and tinker with on the Tribals, but maybe as a one or two-off, not a production run. I'm a realist too and know exactly what Edwin is talking about.

[Spitlebug]

So 10 rams tops would be ideal?

[DeuceX]

I would imagine 10 rams would be bought up pretty quickly. It would deff be a good test. Between me, Shifty, DwT, and Kaos I would think they would be accounted for.

[Edwin]

What I would do is have a machine shop quote out 10, 25, 50 and 100 and weigh the cost versus sales.

One or two would be made on my manual mill (if spitlebug and greg agrees), then we would test the design.

I too believe 10+ would be sold pretty quick, but after the initial purchases are made by the Loyal Tribe Members then the quantity will drop of very quickly. So I would probably base my returns on 10-15 rams in the first year. If that could cover cost, then subsequent sales would be profit. Still a lot of variables arem't taken into account, but it is a start.

Definately is a project for the near future. I have always wanted to redesign the Tribal Rams so they can be easily disassembled and reassembled without tool.....at a bare minimum not red loctite!!!

[Dances with Tribals]

at a bare minimum not red loctite!!!

After my last encounter with my new addicted, red loctite FTMFL!:Punchya: :Punch: :mad: :ArseBeat: :cussing2: :Mad2:

Oh and edwin im going to make up a shopping list to make sure you have everything I need in stock, then I can start building up my funds!

[Spitlebug]

Video of this ram in action on a Bushmaster. Pump half feeds the ball and let's 'er rip. Then he proceeds to use a revvy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV_KMYS8C1Q

[Edwin]

Video look great.

Never did see a NDA though.

[Spitlebug]

*Sigh*

Alrighty, I'll call Greg.

[warpedmephisto]

"Deed I turn de loader onnn?

Hahaha, awesome accent. Nice video too.

[Spitlebug]

Yes, pump aka B2KtinkerR on this forum is quite the interesting guy.

[B2KtinkerR]

yeah i should change my name here, but i did it to give a better intent that i am not a tribal owner, but a tribal friend


and thats not my real accent, its a lame Filipino one

[Edwin]

If you want to change it, just shoot a IM to me or Kaos.

[tribalfluster]

ive been working on a new ram for a little while, i have a few concepts and im tring to test them. the only prob is im limited to material i have on hand. as soon as i get my digi cam back ill snap some pic's

[Spitlebug]

This was an anti chop ram that came out for the Bushmaster a while ago. Not many were made because it required many pieces to be machined. The guy that made them (Travis aka Shootpaint) seemed to drop off the face of the planet as well. This really has one advantage over my ram in that it had an adjustable stroke. Not implemented very well, but clever none-the-less.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/516995-big.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/516997-big.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/516998-big.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/516999-big.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/517000-big.JPG

[tribalfluster]

tribal rams are more compact, you bushy guys have alot of romm behind that back cap :) ill post pic'c of mine tomarrow its not a antichop or anything but its alot more simple that the stock ram. it looks simular to yours(kinda weird how that worked out) i dont really understand how the ram you posted works, is there a id o-ring on the back cap(how does it seal?)? to ajust the stroke do you tighten the setscrew on that bushing(bronze?) is the hammer pressed on to the shaft?

-joseph

[Spitlebug]

This is my ram.
http://www.blueforkdesign.us/mediac/400_0/media/GBR-CYLINDER-a.jpg
http://www.blueforkdesign.us/mediac/400_0/media/GBR-CYLINDER-b.jpg

My ram has only four parts to it:
1.) Rammer
2.) Ram housing
3.) End cap
4.) Longer bolt pin


The previous pictures I posted refer to a ram that was called the MAC ram. The way that ram works is that the air to propel the shaft forward travels along the horizontal porting to the very back of the ram cap and propels the white delrin/steel ramshaft forward. The small cylinder you see with the O-ring on the outside is a travel limiter. It only allows the ram shaft to come back a set distance and is held in place by the setscrew. The hammer is threaded into the delrin shaft. If I remember correctly there is an O-ring inside of the stroke limiter.

[tribalfluster]

http://lh3.google.com/mr.andaya/Ru1uDpD363I/AAAAAAAAAB8/SWm7mTnshk4/s400/ram1.jpg
http://lh4.google.com/mr.andaya/Ru1uE5D364I/AAAAAAAAACE/L_P7Qs-yCLI/s400/ram2.jpg

heres mine its a really simple design, the way i figured it i was tring to stop premature expansion. dont mind the tooling marks this is a rough protype. i need to refill my scuba so i can finish testing it right now. i know the design will change, i may add a slot going across to the front port and make more volume inside the ram right now i can move the hammer back and forth with little effort. theres only 2 pieces besides the stock cap and a longer pin. i made the shaft and hammer one piece because i was tired of it unscrewing on the stock one, also the oring in the front is the bumper you can make the stroke longer and shorter by using a thicker or thinner o-rings.

-joseph

[Spitlebug]

Picture doesn't work. :(

[mustangii]

Travis at Shootpaint got too busy with his real job to put enough effert into Shootpaint. He is a good guy but just doesn't have the time anymore. I know where he lives and he still has all his inventory for Shootpaimnt so if anyone is interested? Edwin I am saving money for my tribal project, and I want of these rams too.
edm

[tribalfluster]

i think the pics work again

[Spitlebug]

Well that is interesting, but how does your ram return? Do you just remove the O-ring and the ram/hammer slide out the back?

*Edit* I understand what you are saying regarding expansion and volumization. I have that problem solved with my rams.

This is my Impulse variant:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/514761-big.png

[tribalfluster]

its all loaded through the front, ill send you pics via e-mail
-joseph

[Spitlebug]

Got the email. You design is a little different. Less than text book, which is a plus I must say. I'll have to think a bit. I did send you a few questions in my reply...

Looks like there is loads of room to work with as far as ram sizes go.

[Spitlebug]

I am leaving on Sunday for work. I will probably be gone for about twenty days. I should have an internet connection, but I won't have my CAD files or anything like that. I can answer questions so long as they are theoretical in nature.

[Spitlebug]

O.K. I am here in the Hotel. I have my CAD files with me. :)

[DeuceX]

Even tho things have died down for the time being, glad to see progress.

[Spitlebug]

Edwin, you get that care package I sent?

[Edwin]

Yep, I sure did. I will have to email you with some requests.

I have been very busy with work. The only project that I have been working on is this...a XM607 two position buttstock project. A reproduction of an early vietnam era stock for the M16.


http://www.tribal-paintball.com/edwin247/ar15/DSC00094.jpg


http://www.tribal-paintball.com/edwin247/ar15/assem_lower_locking.jpg

[warpedmephisto]

Nice, Edwin.

I've got my AK-47 project awaiting for winter to arrive.

And plenty others just waiting.. :P

[Spitlebug]

Yep, I sure did. I will have to email you with some requests.

Anytime your ready.

[tribalfluster]

hey guys im still around, just been real busy at work. ill update as soon as i can

-joseph

[Spitlebug]

hey guys im still around, just been real busy at work. ill update as soon as i can

-joseph

Ditto. 15 letters blah blah blah....

[tribalfluster]

i was looking at that other ram and i think i figured out how to intergrate it into a tribal ram :) ill let you guys know

[Spitlebug]

Which ram was that?

[tribalfluster]

the one you disasimbled, i think i know how it works now lol, i hope he dont get mad ;x

-joseph

[Spitlebug]

the one you disasimbled, i think i know how it works now lol, i hope he dont get mad ;x

-joseph

Yeah, there are easier ways to get air behind the ram shaft than drilling holes into the back of the ram body.

[tribalfluster]

forsure! should have a working prototype by friday


-joseph

[outreach]

hopefully ill be rejoining the tribe after my little vacation away from it im going to start a nice little project. i'll want one of the rams and ill also be wanting a lprc

[Spitlebug]

hopefully ill be rejoining the tribe after my little vacation away from it im going to start a nice little project. i'll want one of the rams and ill also be wanting a lprc

It may be a while... my hands are tied without a decent set of drawings.

[outreach]

hey spitlebug if i sent you the ram of the tribal i buy would it help any?

[Spitlebug]

hey spitlebug if i sent you the ram of the tribal i buy would it help any?

Not really. I would need several things:

A Body, a ram, and a bolt/bolt pin.

[LoonWulf]

well ive got this bbt i got from shifty that i keep planing on doing something with but never doing it. i can send you the lot of parts if that will help.

[Spitlebug]

I would prefer to pickup a "junker" Tribal to reverse engineer. A marker that doesn't work and is missing some parts or is in a general state of disrepair that would make it non viable to turn into a contributing marker to the paintball community.

[warpedmephisto]

If you want/need a junker Tribal I might have that. I've got a bunch of bodies, frames, parts and boards lying around. I could toss something together for you.

[Spitlebug]

If you want/need a junker Tribal I might have that. I've got a bunch of bodies, frames, parts and boards lying around. I could toss something together for you.

I am interested in:

-body (any assuming they are all the same internally)
-stock ram/hammer assembly
-valve (stock?)
-bolt w/ pull pin

[Spitlebug]

I just released these files on *Shudder* PbN. It's a ProMaster rammer. It might help you out on designing your own rammer.

The original thread may be found here: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2455423

ProMaster Crammer Drawings Rev.1 (2.1meg download) (http://www3.telus.net/public/bgansner/ProMaster%20Crammer%20Shop%20Drawing%20Rev.1.zip)


P.S. sorry for the PbN link Edwin.

[Edwin]

Not a problem on the link....as a joke we used to block PBN/PBNATION...it was funny.

[Spitlebug]

Updated drawings: http://www3.telus.net/public/bgansner/ProMaster%20Crammer%20Shop%20Drawing%20Rev.2.zip

[outreach]

is this still a running project or is there no hope for a new ram?

[Spitlebug]

I ran out of money as I am laid off right now...

I am still very interested in doing this.

[AnthonyDStone]

I'm new to tribals but they are a solid platform for tinkering so.....

Tony

[Spitlebug]

I am waiting on a boat load of cash from the Govt. Bastids have been holding back on me for three months...

[outreach]

im going to attempt a project crosses fingers probly not going to happen as i have no knoledge of cad or machining, im tottally stealling some workers from my brothers workplace so i can maby produce something

[Spitlebug]

What kind of project?

[outreach]

a new gun off sorts. i have a working model in my head and ive started drawing it out. also im downloading a cad program so i can try and make a virtual model wich ill probly fail miserably at :D

[Spitlebug]

I want one of these so I can properly reverse engineer some of my markers:

www.nextengine.com

Bushmasters/BKOs/ProMasters are easy though. I've spent the last 3 years reverse engineering them.

[outreach]

thats awsome i wish i could afford one

[warpedmephisto]

3d scanners are fun. I got to play with one at a machine tool trade show a while ago. Wish I had the coin to drop on one though...

[Spitlebug]

I will own one. I'll have to get the wife knocked up and then blackmail my parents. :)

[Spitlebug]

Well.... met with TkD_P8nballer today. Sold him some Bushmaster gear.

He mentioned he had a BBT 2.0 so this project may get ressurected. :)

[B2KtinkerR]

quit upping......hahaha nah

i just read up on about a YEARS worth of TOG posts, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh insomnia

and realize i dont get email notifications

spit, did you show them the vid of it working?

i wonder if your and greg could trayless the tribal as well