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Spitlebug
06-21-2007, 03:07 AM
So I just had a look at the Dangerous Power Fusion that Dances with Tribals bought and something startled me.

This marker, by appearance looks like a George and Michael Spurlock product.

Some of you may not know, but George and Michael Spurlock have been in the paintball community for quite some time now. I classify them in similar terms as Mr. Louvette...

George and Michael were behind M3/Black Dragun/Dragun Empire/OGI and more recently "designed" a loader for DraXXus and a marker for Diablo. Now having said that you might recognize these two paintball products as the DraXXus Pulse and Diablo Wrath.

Following me so far? Let's go a little in depth into paintball history...

M3 got their start by cloning the cloners and offering them at cheaper prices and one upping the competition by incorporating faster than 13bps boards, which at the time were stock in all electro Spyders. They had American consumers eating out of the palms of their hands by offering "Stars and Stripes" and "Sniper" variants of their popular markers. They did this however, by outsourcing to Taiwan which was even poorer in quality than those parts being produced in Japan by Kingman. Not to mention the marker designs were not their own and were actually the brain child of PRECO Corp of Taiwan. Eventually, but not after a long while did the Spurlocks have a falling out with PRECO and moved on to other manufacturers. During such time, M3 went through three name changes (M3, Black Dragun, Dragun Empire International) all to avoid taxes and to continue to produce electro paintball markers while staying out of reach of U.S. patent law (Smart Parts anyone?).

Dragun Empire is famous for producing the T.E.S. and The One markers. The T.E.S. was for the most part, the first blowback to incorporate electronic eyes (bounce beam). It sold for the same price as competing Spyder markers. The One was, a rip off of the BKO. It was a "FASOR" marker. Foward air, spring operated return. Again this isn't new because Spyder copied the BKO with the EM-1. After this the Spurlocks sought to enter the 'Cocker market by producing the Dragunfly and Draillion markers. But what of M3 and Black Dragun? Essentially the company was renamed to avoid taxes and the Spurlocks ran off with a lot of dealers money in un-delivered product.

Enter OGI. A merger of Oddysee and Dragun Empire. The Spurlocks continued to do business under yet another name. I assume at the time the Oddysee guys thought the Spurlocks were on the level, but it was not so. OGI came out with a slew of "new" markers (03, 03M etc...) but these were just repackaged Dragun Markers with a little milling change. Uh-oh, financial troubles for Oddysee. Seems the Spurlocks heaped OGI with a lot of debt and Oddysee was forced to join up with NPS or face some serious creditors. Thus you get repackaged Oddysee products under the Empire Label. It was around this time when they severed ties with PRECO and moved to MARCASITE INDUSTRIAL CO. George and Michael (as far as I know) made off with some of PRECO Corps paintball plans. While working for NPS, Michael Spurlock re-released yet another "FASOR" marker as the Diablo Wrath. See a trend happening here?

Next, Michael and George defected to what is now known as ProCaps. With that they took plans from Oddysee for their Halo loader and re-packaged them as the DraXXus Pulse loader. Well that's a good way to piss off NPS off isn't it? Some of you may recognize some of these names from the recent NPS vs. ProCaps lawsuit. The funny thing is, NPS is pissed off that Michael and George have ripped off the Halo, but NPS would never have owned that intellectual property if it weren't for the Spurlocks.

Now we move on to the Dangerous Power Fusion. It looks a lot like the 03, just a little more refined. One might say "Oh all paintball markers look similar" but you can tell a Bob Long product just as one might recognize a Glen Palmer product.

Upon looking at the Dangerous Power website I can quote this:

WHO WE ARE

Dangerous Power™ was created by a team of world class engineers who share a vision in creating the most innovative, groundbreaking products the paintball world will ever experience. They vowed to be leaders, and never followers. With the aid of the most advanced software, machinery, and technical ‘know-how’ stemming from over thirty years of combined experience, Dangerous Power™ aims to dispel the belief that ‘high-end’ has to come at exorbitant prices!

This doesn't really tell you much about who they actually are does it? I would be curious as to who is behind Dangerous Power. I did a little more digging and I did a WHOIS on the Domain of dangerouspower.com. Seems someone has gone through a lot of effort to remain anonymous. You will notice that Dangerous Power does not list a Phone number as most reputable businesses do because that can be attributed to a name.

If anyone else here has any valid info on who is actually behind Dangerous Power I would be all ears.

/I hate the Spurlocks because they wreck paintball rant.

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:15 AM
I do have the DP number. They only give it out with serious marker problems. But there customer service is the best in the industry bar none. They are releasing a new marker any day now as well. Im not sure they are shady, but I've been wrong before. Right now they are my favorite paintball company of all time. Hopefully it will stay that way!

DeuceX
06-21-2007, 03:19 AM
Hmm very good point here. If indeed this is who is behind Dangerous Power then I'll stay away from them. Not like I'm going to be able to afford another marker anytime soon anyways.

True or false, thanks for sharing this insight. Something to look into indeed. I know some of the locals are real good at digging up info, maybe they can get their claws into DP.

It's a shame there is so much backstabbing going on in the paintball industry. We know here that it's nothing new heh.

8-ball
06-21-2007, 03:20 AM
ooh.. Trying not to hijack.. but I hope you figure it out.. I was looking into getting a Fusion but if it's the same people I might not.

DeuceX
06-21-2007, 03:24 AM
I do have to say there is something fishy/overly bold about releasing a product as such for such a comparatively cheap price.

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:27 AM
Evoventures is DPs parent company btw.

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:28 AM
I do have to say there is something fishy/overly bold about releasing a product as such for such a comparatively cheap price.

Yea its called a great business tactic dumbass!!

Spitlebug
06-21-2007, 03:32 AM
Looking on PbN a few users have indeed attributed the DP Fusion to Michael Spurlock. :(

I've been burned by them before...

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:34 AM
Looking on PbN a few users have indeed attributed the DP Fusion to Michael Spurlock. :(

I've been burned by them before...

Damn that sucks. Hopefully this is different.

Spitlebug
06-21-2007, 03:37 AM
Damn that sucks. Hopefully this is different.

Call me Jaded, but I'll believe it when I see it. I've been around the block too many times. :woah:

8-ball
06-21-2007, 03:39 AM
Well that sucks.. I was really liking the looks of the fusion.

Spitlebug
06-21-2007, 03:41 AM
Well that sucks.. I was really liking the looks of the fusion.

If you can find one in stock by all means get it. Just make sure it's in stock.

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:45 AM
QUOTE
"I honestly don't think that had anything to do with anything.
Spurlock/Marcasite are fairly often the target of these sorts of injunctions, and they usually just adapt and work around it. The Odyssey/Rex M2 comes to mind.

Also, Spurlock usually designs one gun and then moves on. He moved on from the Wrath quite a while ago and then worked on the Dangerous Power Fusion, and doubtless is now at work on something else."



I pmed dpfusion on the nation and he said "yes spurlock designed the fusion but Dangerous Power is its own company owned by evoventures and the spurlocks do not have anything to do with DP. They only helped to design the marker. DP is here to stay for the long run."

DeuceX
06-21-2007, 03:47 AM
Yeah hopefully we won't have a repeat Tribal fiasco back in the day, waaaay too many people lost out on guns sent in for repairs or that just never got delivered.

"Hey that's my gun on Ebay that I sent in for repair, wtf!?"

Ol Frenchy FTL.

Spitlebug
06-21-2007, 03:50 AM
Spurlock/Marcasite are fairly often the target of these sorts of injunctions, and they usually just adapt and work around it. The Odyssey/Rex M2 comes to mind.

Why is that? Do you think it might have something to do with Michael and George's business practices?

Also, Spurlock usually designs one gun and then moves on. He moved on from the Wrath quite a while ago and then worked on the Dangerous Power Fusion, and doubtless is now at work on something else."

I am sure he is, though IMHO Michael Spurlock has never "designed" anything substantial in his lifetime. In fact, I would be so bold as to say he steals factory plans and re-packages the same marker with slightly different looks and names.

I pmed dpfusion on the nation and he said "yes spurlock designed the fusion but Dangerous Power is its own company owned by evoventures and the spurlocks do not have anything to do with DP. They only helped to design the marker. DP is here to stay for the long run."

Did they provide any proof to back that statement up?

DeuceX
06-21-2007, 03:54 AM
You know honestly it wouldn't surprise me if this guy is in cahoots with Ol Frenchy as I like to call him.... Reminds me a LOT of his practices.

Hell I would even go as far as to say it could even be the same guy.

Regardless, looks like we should at the very least keep a good eye on DP.

Thanks for the insights guys, sleep calls.

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:54 AM
Why is that? Do you think it might have something to do with Michael and George's business practices?

Yes hahaha

I am sure he is, though IMHO Michael Spurlock has never "designed" anything substantial in his lifetime. In fact, I would be so bold as to say he steals factory plans and re-packages the same marker with slightly different looks and names.

kind of like smart parts, except smart parts just steals it outright!

Did they provide any proof to back that statement up?

No but i do know that evoventures owns the patents and designs of the markers. It was originally called the evoventures fusion, but evoventures decided to creat a sister company called DP in order to market their marker(s). The new marker is supposed to debut any day now.

Spitlebug
06-21-2007, 03:55 AM
Hell I would even go as far as to say it could even be the same guy.

Nah, not the same guy. I just feel bad that the paintball community has more than their fair share of scoundrels.

*Edit* Who owns Evoventures?

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 03:59 AM
Nah, not the same guy. I just feel bad that the paintball community has more than their fair share of scoundrels.

*Edit* Who owns Evoventures?

Hmmm good question.

Dances with Tribals
06-21-2007, 04:14 AM
I think evoventures is a parent company. Nobody owns them. Their GM is Daniel Leu. Heres a little article on evoventures.

http://www.68caliber.com/news/industry/story042154.php

Dances with Tribals
06-22-2007, 08:49 PM
Here you go spitlebug. In the thread DPfusion is a tech from dangerous powers. It pretty much sums up the spurlocks involment with dp.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=36901857&posted=1#post36901857

Spitlebug
06-23-2007, 01:02 AM
Regardless, I think I'll still be doing some digging (because I'm crazy that way).

Dances with Tribals
06-23-2007, 01:12 AM
Regardless, I think I'll still be doing some digging (because I'm crazy that way).

LMAO well let me know what you find!!!

DeuceX
06-23-2007, 01:53 AM
Well I guess we have someone to fill the TOG Detective slot haha.

Spitlebug
06-24-2007, 03:48 AM
Talked to a few industry insiders, none of them know who owns Evoventures.

Dances with Tribals
06-24-2007, 10:04 PM
Talked to a few industry insiders, none of them know who owns Evoventures.

Well I know who there ceo is. Evoventures own a bunch of companied though. Forgot who though. Ill have to find the list.

Spitlebug
06-25-2007, 01:34 AM
Well I know who there ceo is. Evoventures own a bunch of companied though. Forgot who though. Ill have to find the list.

If you find the list, let me know. :Yes: