May the party begin .!!! [Archive] - Tribal Owner's Group

Fatangel911

04-09-2005, 12:01 AM

Hi there ,
I guess it's no use for me to hide anymore ....
Actually I'd rather you ask me your questions straight forward so that I can reply directly > I must admit that at some point the people I dealt with were respectful of my privacy and i thank them for that ....
I'm willing to answer as many questions as I can but
1) I shall not say neither my name nor my location , you''ll contact me through that forum and I'll do my best to answer your concerns .
2) I won't give any personal infos regarding Francois or anybody else related to this company
3) I hope that you already know that you guys are a bunch of crazy people trying to keep this "marker" alive ....i guess it's the same kind of passion that other people have for old cars and antiques ...
4) You'll have to forgive me if I make some mistakes in my answers, I'm not American nor English, Aussie , NZ...you name it ...My birth language is not english...
5) try to avoid sending me PMs or using my e-mail address directly ...the whole idea of this thing is sharing answer with other members

Now let's the party begin and I hope that I'll be welcome on this funny yet passionate forum of yours ...

~kaos~

04-09-2005, 12:49 AM

Welcome....
I think you'll find that most of us here will respect your wishes regarding anonymity. What most might find interesting is something that you passed along prior in an e-mail. It stated that Toxic Toys never really intended the Tribals to be a big success...... Could you expand on that? I kinda find irony in that with just a little more effort back in 1999 these markers could have been very successful & competitive.

Fatangel911

04-09-2005, 08:33 AM

That I can answer ,
Tribal markers were the "fancy brothers" of the Joker markers .....F.L gave a shot to the marker industry with several differents models styles and designs. We called them Trib 1t and 2 t , single trigger and double trigger .....After a very short period of time he changed his mind and didn't wish to develop or keep on producing those markers due to too much competiton and that same kind of range ( BM2K , spyder electros etc etc...) but since they were lots of "finished" products, might as well try to sell them...the interest for this products was over and F.L soon decided to try something else.....Boo yah and TT were the next on the list.

Edwin

04-09-2005, 08:52 AM

Welcome,
Thanks for registering. I agree with Koas that most of us here are very respectful, and I will communicate with you hear on the TOG.

We are a great group of guys who collect and maintain Tribal markers for old owners and for new members (which is one of Kaos' passions, fix up Tribals and get them into the hands of non-tribal people).

A few of us have aspirations of developing or reviving the Tribal markers as you probably already know that I am interested in design information. The overwhelming problems with the extremely competitive market of the PB world, we could only consider a limited edition run if any. The dollars associated with advertizing alone would kill any thoughts of me marketing a new marker.

It would be really nice to see maybe a Urban revival, since they really didn't hit the market. I only know of one person who even has one or two, and that is HaveBlue.

Quick Questions:
Were any Addicteds made in the Chrome version???
We figure about 3000 Tribals were made, as the s/n start at 1000 and we havent seen any in the 4000, is this correct?
Do you have any data on the numbers of each models made? We have only seen a few 2.2 Flusters. They seem more rare than Addicteds.

~kaos~

04-09-2005, 09:54 AM

Ah.... The Joker series markers. Shortly before LES Industries introduced the Joker markers I was running an "on-line" pb shoppe. I got most of my product thru National Paintball Supply, which as it turns out handled the Jokers & Tribals.
I had several of the Joker Ace's & STP's, mechanicly they were very much like Diablo's Inferno marker. Now I did notice that the annodizing style on the Jokers was similar to that of the Tribal BBT's. And in hindsight it seems that the grade quality of aluminum was similar as well...... Were the Jokers & Tribals manufactured in the same country using the same source materials & finishers?

Fatangel911

04-09-2005, 01:11 PM

As for the seriel numbers ...they were the products of some ingeneer in the factory ...I can guarantee you there s no logic in these numbers ...apart from the fact that if such model was created under # 1000 then the next on the line would be 1001 etc etc ....I saw some tribals that were #25000....I already told you that the blue prints and designs of this marker were somewhere hidden in a deep dark box....or a trash can...

Kaos : Yes to both of your questions ...same country and same manufacturing process.

Edwin

04-09-2005, 02:31 PM

I am sorry, but I think your confusing me with someone else. The only reply I received from you was this:

Sorry Man , I m not the one you re looking for ...i used to be in the PB business long time ago, but I gave up on this shitty world ....
Enjoy your Tribal and good luck with it ...

Please dont spread my e-mail on your T.O.G , I dont have any more connections what so ever with the PB world...

You never did answer to me whether or not the drawings were actually still around, until just now.

Did you actually design the marker or did the Engineers do the work for F.L.? Most people always wondered why the feednecks, AOC cap and Ram Body were designed with a .808-28 thread. Do you know what the exact thread is? This is probably a stupid question as I you were most likely working on more of the Business side of Toxic Toys.

~kaos~

04-09-2005, 04:01 PM

Without getting too personal I think it might be interesting to know a little bit about you Mr.Fatangel.... What area of expertieze did you deal with in these ventures?? (ie: investor, marketing, etc). How did you get involved in your short paintball career.... did you visit many different countries during that time?
What type interests do you have now.......

Fatangel911

04-09-2005, 04:40 PM

Without getting too personal I think it might be interesting to know a little bit about you Mr.Fatangel.... What area of expertieze did you deal with in these ventures?? (ie: investor, marketing, etc).NO NEED TO KNOW THAT TO CHAT WITH ME LETS SAY THAT I DIDNT GET THAT MUCH INVOLVED INTO TRIBAL, I WAS MORE INVOLED IN D.LAB How did you get involved in your short paintball career WAS A PLAYER THEN BECAME A FIELD ORGANIZER/REF, GOT INTO THE RETAIL BUSINESS, GOT INTO THE F.L BUSINESS SINCE I SPEAK SEVERAL LANGUAGES, AND MY "SHORT" CARRER LASTED 14 YEARS...AH ALSO I WROTE IN THE FIRST ISSUES OF FACEFULL MAG. did you visit many different countries during that time? YES
What type interests do you have now....NO NEED TO KNOW THAT TO CHAT WITH ME.................

Fatangel911

04-09-2005, 04:42 PM

I am sorry, but I think your confusing me with someone else. The only reply I received from you was this:

You never did answer to me whether or not the drawings were actually still around, until just now.

Did you actually design the marker or did the Engineers do the work for F.L.? Most people always wondered why the feednecks, AOC cap and Ram Body were designed with a .808-28 thread. Do you know what the exact thread is? This is probably a stupid question as I you were most likely working on more of the Business side of Toxic Toys.
Sorry if i got confused in the answer....
I could not answer your soecific questions , I'm not a tech guy...my field was advertizing and sales

Edwin

04-09-2005, 05:12 PM

Thanks for the reply.

~kaos~

04-09-2005, 05:15 PM

NO NEED TO KNOW THAT TO CHAT WITH ME LETS SAY THAT I DIDNT GET THAT MUCH INVOLVED INTO TRIBAL, I WAS MORE INVOLED IN D.LAB
Sorry FA if it seems like I'm being a dentist, but I thought it might be helpful to know a "little" something about you so it's not all paintball related.....
For instance I'm also interested in your work with Diamond Labs. I was born and spent my first 19 years in the part of California known as "SILICON VALLEY". Electronics and computers are a large part of my life and I thought that it may be some non paintball related common ground.
As for wondering about other inserests.... just idle chat.
Well.... maybe I'll check back later, I enjoy golf and the Masters is on right now so I'm gunna grab me a brew and see who's atop the leader board!

can'tthink of1

04-09-2005, 05:45 PM

:Hello2:Hey man, you are welcomed here. Its nice to have someone to be able to shed so light on everything.

Its okay if you don't want to "chat" but any particular reason you don't want to? The Tribe is more close than other marker groups so we just would get to know you. But I don't want you to feel pressured into "chatting"

This question goes out to anyone, what's Diamond Labs?

PS: Most of us aren't "crazy" thought there are a few :fool2:

jeremy.sears

04-09-2005, 06:00 PM

makes computer stuff like sound cards and I think video cards to name a few Im sure they do alot more than that but that is what I know about em

ME262

04-10-2005, 01:25 AM

Fatangel911

04-10-2005, 09:00 AM

there was a paintball company diamond labs, made bolts and such, upgrades.
the jokers i have that had boxes said diamond labs joker, not les....

your thinking of a totaly different diamond labs.

wondering fatangel... are you the same person who got me the plans i have, or was it another?
the person i had contacted was in sweden, and sent me some rather torn up bluprint type drawings of somthing very similar to tribal desighn, very rough.

No that's not me .....And I dont even know this Swedish contact sorry.

The Diamond Lab company I'm refering to is the PB item manufacturer not the electro nic component one...I was the sales consultant for this company , I would answer to customer with specific paintball related questions regarding the products.

bullschmidt2k3

04-10-2005, 11:42 AM

Is francois still in the paintball business? or is that too personal?

P.S. I just bought a tribal cause they are pretty cheap and perform well for the price. Alot like that of a impulse of bushmaster. I think Toxic toys might have faired well if they had stayed in business.

Fatangel911

04-10-2005, 08:03 PM

I was told that Francois was still involved in the European Paintball business ...but I dont have any other infos.

XtraBoy

04-10-2005, 09:54 PM

only euro companies i can think of would be angel and eclipse..

Would be funny if he worked for angel... seeing as how tribals were dubbed "The angel killer" :rotf2:

bullschmidt2k3

04-11-2005, 06:41 AM

maybe he's the guy that invented reballs... that's from europe I think...

Big G

04-11-2005, 03:11 PM

get a look on 3A products...

bullschmidt2k3

04-11-2005, 03:17 PM

I was thinkin 3a, cause they are generally low quality (except for the tank, I believe the regs are centerflag) and have flashy anno/lady animae on them. But, I didn't know they were based in europe...

Fatangel911

04-11-2005, 05:58 PM

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
My buddy Big G is in the place !!!!
Excellent , he knows even more stuff about FL than I do.....But still I know more than him regarding the dark side of the bussinesses....

Big G

04-11-2005, 06:16 PM

Yess Bro! good to see that you're "back" in paintball ...ahahaha

can'tthink of1

04-11-2005, 06:26 PM

bullschmidt2k3

04-11-2005, 06:49 PM

so I'm guessing francois is at 3a or something now?

Fatangel911

04-11-2005, 07:38 PM

I'd like to thank you guys for coming to this forum to clear stuff up :Yuppie:

I'd like to know what exactly led to the downfall of Toxic Toys. Did Francos just up and leave, or was it a known thing that Toxic toys was shutting down?

the purpose of Toxic toys was manufacturing plastic items ...in the same location where all the other things were built....
Was it meant to last long ??? Can't tell you but it was clearly not the same kind of issues than the ones he had with Tribal ...Plastic stuff were selling like hot cookies...At this point of the story I was already off with my business partnership....

3A / Francois ....same fight ....well we can say so...but then again he must have 1000 of nicknames and other "associates" so I'm not so sure you ll be able to tag him directly if you contact them...

can'tthink of1

04-11-2005, 07:58 PM

I thought Toxic Toys was the company that produced tribals or marketed them?

bullschmidt2k3

04-11-2005, 08:09 PM

yea, me too... what plastic stuff did they make?

Big G

04-12-2005, 12:44 PM

100 and 140 Pods
140 colored clear hoppers
hoppers elbow w/manual screws...

All Tribal line of guns was manufactured in Bulgaria

Edwin

04-12-2005, 03:31 PM

Big G, do you have more specific information on design and the place where they were designed? The idea has been tossed around here about maybe making a limited run of Tribals.

Any design information would be great.

Maybe just some contact where we could get the ball rolling???

can'tthink of1

04-12-2005, 03:35 PM

100 and 140 Pods
140 colored clear hoppers
hoppers elbow w/manual screws...

All Tribal line of guns was manufactured in Bulgaria

Hmmmm. But who marketted the markers? Because they were sold under the name Toxic Toys I thought.

Edwin

04-12-2005, 03:59 PM

I think he is just saying that they did much better with the plastics, not that Tribals were not manufacture/marketed by Toxic Toys. Tribals were a product of Toxic Toys from all the information I have.

Big G

04-12-2005, 04:29 PM

Tribal gun had been design at period when Bushy and Impulses just hit the market. Based on angel's system, the goal was to design an electronic gun at affordable price that can compete with Impulses. Remember at this period , mid range electronic guns offered not so much choices. Unsual design and variety of color choices were spotlight on the tribal. Some very good ideas was found, but manufacturing and marketing were the weak points...

To get a very low cost on manufacturing = poor material, antic aged machines, low salary workers..."the less you spend, the more you get"...

Fact is FL did not want to spend too much money on rechearch and developping...he wanted to lauch the tribal even if it was not completely finished and reliable. His spotmind was to get money as soon as possible. He understood that he couldn't compete with the big compagnies such as WDP or SP.

bullschmidt2k3

04-12-2005, 04:38 PM

I thought the tribal came out after the bushmaster but before the impulse?

I think they could kept competition with SP (if they could avoid being sued)

Big G

04-12-2005, 04:54 PM

Yes, it came out after the Bushy.

vaypourus

04-12-2005, 07:24 PM

The first generation bushmasters and imps are nowhere near the feel of the tribals. Even with the QC of the tribals leaving something to be desired, I still think the tribals were superior in overall feel, looks, and performance.

There have been few guns to have milling and anno as elaborate as the Fluster and Addicted. One of the only guns that come to mind is the Kapp Flame guns, but these were too expensive to produce.

bullschmidt2k3

04-12-2005, 08:27 PM

so tribals were out before impulses AND Bushies?

shiftycastro

04-13-2005, 02:49 AM

so tribals were out before impulses AND Bushies?

does it really matter who came first?............... might as well be saying the chicken or the egg.

Big G

04-13-2005, 04:45 AM

ahahahaha!
yes , great!

who cares...

ccrobbins

04-13-2005, 10:24 AM

I think people want to know out of curiosity. Lots of people care about what came first. Not that I am one but people do care. All I care about is that they are dirt cheap and the brought us the TOG!

usagi_tetsu

04-13-2005, 10:30 AM

does it really matter who came first?............... might as well be saying the chicken or the egg.

That's easy, the egg. Why? Science defines a species by it's zygote (better known as the egg), so the beginnings of chicken as we define them is the egg. Next question!

can'tthink of1

04-13-2005, 02:36 PM

It matters because its nice if we have our facts straight. Its just knowledge that can actually be answered opposed to the chicken-egg thing, and we just want to know.

Edwin

04-13-2005, 02:57 PM

Well it sounds like both Bushies and Imps were out before Tribals, right.

bullschmidt2k3

04-13-2005, 03:45 PM

who knows... I always thought it was bushies, tribals, then imps...

ME262

04-13-2005, 10:04 PM

the tribal was out well before the impulse.
the bushy was out a little bit before the tribal.

our store is a dealer for 3a... maybe i shoud look into that more.......

Edwin

04-14-2005, 03:15 PM

:GHug:

I did some housecleaning on this thread.

The answer about what came first was taken care of with Rich's post, and I will accept that as most accurate.

Lets focus on the topic of this thread, or it will me closed!!!

Does anyone have some useful questions for Fatangel or Big G????

can'tthink of1

04-14-2005, 09:00 PM

How much did the cost differ to produce each type of tribal? Also, what did it cost to produce each tribal?

Big G

04-15-2005, 04:53 AM

Except the cost of the material (metal, electronics...), cost depend how difficult is the body shape.

the Tribal one or the twister cost more time to do it because of the curves,etc...so the cnc programme is much harder to do and the time it takes, the more it costs.

As those type of model had been done in less quantity, that's why their prices were higher.

The finish color can also change the price: fade color cost money, chrome is very expensive...

I can't give to you the real cost of making guns (too much factors and most of time it is confidential to the manufacturer...)

All I can say is that internals and mechanics cost the same price, the "look" make the difference

~kaos~

04-15-2005, 11:22 AM

I don't know if this helps but here's the prices from my NPS distributors list from 2000....... (retail price shown)
Chrome BBT 2.2 / $595.00
Twister 2.2 / $515.00 (red/blk & blu/blk)
Twister 2.2 / $510.00 (grey/blk)
Twister 1.0 / $489.00
BBT 2.2 / $495.00 (all except chrome)
BBT 1.0 / $459.00
Flusters 1.0 / $459.00
Mephisto 2.2 / $449.00
Mephisto 1.0 / $419.00

*Addicted and Fluster 2.2 were not on the list......

jeremy.sears

04-15-2005, 11:48 AM

that is interesting information. Thanks Kaos. I wonder what the addicted and fluster 2.2s actually went for. Maybe one of you guys remembers? Though I am thinking they probably went for the same as the BBT 2.2 since the fluster 1x was the same price as the bbt 1x

bakerboy4679

04-15-2005, 12:11 PM

Twister 2.2 / $510.00 (grey/blk)

BBT 1.0 / $459.00

1. I've never seen a Grey and Black one. Anyone have a picture?

2. HEY!! thats what I have! only i paid $125.... :shuffle:

MasterOfPupets

04-15-2005, 12:23 PM

1. I've never seen a Grey and Black one. Anyone have a picture?

Grey/Blk is often refered to as Gunmetal. Checkthe FS forum, KK was selling a grey/blk recently. :ThumbsU3:

~kaos~

04-15-2005, 02:01 PM

Grey/Blk is often refered to as Gunmetal. Checkthe FS forum, KK was selling a grey/blk recently. :ThumbsU3:
Yep...... and Ocelot is now the proud owner of that marker. Welcome back to the TRIBE Oce.

~kaos~

04-15-2005, 02:04 PM

newbedoo

04-16-2005, 10:15 AM

I love this stuf, its better than a porno soap oprea.
I am very proud of every one my tribals. Only have one now, but have had 5 over the years. kept trading till I got what I wanted. Have never had anyone complain about any of the used ones I sold them.
Bryan newbedoo

goose

04-28-2005, 09:22 PM

everyone is talking about a revival of the tribals. My question is quite simply this.

you have pretty much every after marrket componet you could imagine as it is. boards, valves, bolts, hpa, lpa, selenoid and so on and so on. you have all of the latest greatest upgrades available for these things and have the availablity to makes these in their own rights a really awsome electonic marker.

heck you even have tubs and other mods to fit newer trigger frames and so forth to the marker.

the only thing really that is missing is the body itself.

there are atleast 20 companies i can think of off hand that make autocockers and i know this cause i have been playing 10 years and WAS always a cocker fan but i am now driving towards building up a tribal cause i need something faster.

bottom line is if there are soooooo many companies, including the fly by night guys selling raw bodies on ebay, why can you not get the bodies made by a machine shop????

if you ask me this is the only thing that is missing here.

being i spent many yeards as a design engineer for various companies making everything from laptop batteries with smart circuitry to manufacturers making huge construction cranes i can honestly say i do not see where the problem is in having new bodies made.

in fact i have already been talking to my dad who is a retired pattern maker from G.M.C. (general moter corperation) we both are asking the same thing here whats the problem.
1. having somone take the initiative to start this thing up?
2. the initial investment capital?

honestly i can say if you can pay 150 to 200 for a body just to gut it and trick it then who wouldn't want a brand new body for far less.

in most cases a raw cocker body goes for around 45 bucks and you know they are making a profit if they are listing dozens of them on ebay and paying listing fees and seller fees and so on.

one better then that is the entire cocker setups with all the componets just waiting to be put togather. the only thing missing is the hinge trigger fram or front pneumatic componets. sometimes they even come with those and you can buy the setups for like 150 bucks all day long on ebay.

these are far far nicer then any stock wgp cocker and of better quality and have more features if you ask me.

in my opinion the hardest part is the electronics and you guys already have that part stitched up tight so what is the hold up here????

my dad is going to a small machine shop that also happens to be a personal friend back in my hometown. i grew up with the owners son and my dad and i did some cad drawings from time to time for him when he was making 50 cal sub machine gun conversions.

(basically a plate and a few parts that i can not talk about that converted it to a semi auto so anyone with a hunting liscense could buy one)

none the less preliminary discussions are that it would not cost as much as one might think to repop these..you major cost comes from research and development which has already been done for you. you just need to reverse engineer it.

you already have good parts just need to mass produce them and then get somone to mass produce some bodies for you

MasterOfPupets

04-28-2005, 09:28 PM

umm, you also need ram assemblys and hammers. And autococker bodies are easier to machine than a Tribal body would be. You have no internal air passages on an autococker.

goose

04-28-2005, 09:43 PM

and those parts are made if i am not mistaken.

yes they are a little more advanced then a cocker body but it can be done.

jeremy.sears

04-29-2005, 05:26 AM

I think the issue coming in is you need to have someone with the financial means to get started as well as the desire to do it. We actually had this discussion a while ago In PBN. However if you have the means and desire to build the bodies and the internals by all means do it I imagine you will def get some interest in them

MasterOfPupets

04-29-2005, 11:52 AM

and those parts are made if i am not mistaken.

No, they aren't. Edwin and Ky (I think) have both experimented with different types of materials for hammers, but no ram or ram assemblys are made. That's why if you break one, you generally have to try and see if any of our resident horders has any extra they could sell you.

vaypourus

04-29-2005, 01:10 PM

Goose-

One thing that makes the tribal bodies so complex is that the milling and boring involved. These bodies are even more complex than a bushmaster body; the manifold that bolts to the bushmaster body is machined into the body on the tribal. One hole is bored from front to back for the regulated pressure from the AOC, and then 5 ( I think 5?) holes are drilled into the back of the body so that the solenoid will mount directly to the body. This isn't mentioning the milling done on the outside for aesthetic purposes.

I am by no means an engineer, but I did study mechanical engineering for a year at RIT and have quite a bit of shop experience. Getting somebody to make the aluminum extrusions would be easy; the extra mill work involved would make the bodies a seriously expensive project. Boring a 2mm diameter hole thru a chunk of 6-7 inch metal is not a walk in the park. Even with a CNC mill, it would be many hours of milling work per body. A detailed cad drawing of the body doesn't exsist anymore, so somebody would of course have to draw that up first.

I don't think anybody is willing to take the time to do this and put forth the money to start this kind of project. Then there is the copyright and legal issues that would have to be dealt with...

Besides, there is no longer a manufacturer of aftermaket valves or rams. That would involve that additional work.

warpedmephisto

04-29-2005, 01:24 PM

In addition to what vapourus said, to compensate the costs to manufacture bodies, rams, valves, etc, there would have to be a large enough audience to buy these things. If you can't even break even on all your costs, then I doubt someone would want to invest in a project like that. If you're going as far as to reverse engineer the Tribal and manufacture it basically from scratch, you might as well put a few more hours in and develope a completely new marker that will draw much more attention.

Yes, it would be nice to bring Tribals back, but the money and time that it would take to make it happen, just wouldn't be worth it in my eyes. I know for sure when I get my CNC that I'm going to try my hand at some milling on Tribal bodies myself, but making a body from scratch is a totally different concept in itself.

Theguy

04-29-2005, 04:19 PM

then why not throw in those few extra hours????

Drop in a super fast board, good HPR and LPR to keep up with it. Delrin bolt, market it as an "Angel Killer" and you could probly get a decent following.

shiftycastro

04-29-2005, 04:22 PM

and those parts are made if i am not mistaken.

yes they are a little more advanced then a cocker body but it can be done.
the rams arent ......even though i suggested it and i got practically got hung for even the thought of such a thing.

vaypourus

04-29-2005, 05:09 PM

the rams arent ......even though i suggested it and i got practically got hung for even the thought of such a thing.

When was this? I suggested it, and Edwin said "maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe"

goose

04-29-2005, 05:57 PM

my thoughts at this point was to build up a titanium body with thin walls the titanium would not be light and it would not be cheep but the ano on it could be chromium so it would then be non conductive and i am thinking of a few other ideas.

i am new to this whole thing i am a cocker man and i currently have the guy building a custom double cocker for me that i designed from scratch.

i also happen to be a plamer fan but he would not beuild me a double cocker cause he thinks his stuff is the best. Nothing against gregg but its a mater of preference..that and per pba regulations his guns can not be used since you are fireing 2 barels per trigger pull so mine is a standard sized trigger frame but 2 triggers 2 sears and basically 2 indipendant systems just one grip and one block but enough of that since it is not tribal related...

i was just curious and i may be biteing off more than i can chew but i love paintball and i love to tinker and improve things so when my new toy comes in i may just go so far as to boot up the cad system and start reverse engineering it and then go so far as to maybee modify a few things since the wall thickness would not have to be as heavy with titanium

just some hairbrain ideas i have

shiftycastro

04-29-2005, 08:53 PM

When was this? I suggested it, and Edwin said "maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe"

on pbn people asked what new products they wanted,,, this was well over a year ago.
i suggested rams because of how messed up some of them are and there are no replacements. everybody else said feednecks, a internal lpr , valves , bolts, boards....yada yada yada. i was told rams were a stupid idea......we had all the things above that were mentioned already but wasnt to there liking. i was going for something that hasnt been suggested or done already and it was something i would buy.

ocelot213

04-30-2005, 12:45 AM

Yep...... and Ocelot is now the proud owner of that marker. Welcome back to the TRIBE Oce.

thanks kaos, and to keep on topic, can one of the knowledged ones(big g and fatangel) give any information on the 2.2 fluster?

Edwin

05-05-2005, 11:13 AM

Yeah, I remember talking about Rams. I think it is a good product to re-look at, but I can tell you this---I don't think the sales will be there. The reason why is everyone should already have a ram, and the few that have boogered up ones is far and few between.

Plus your talking about 5 parts to put one together, and are you guys ready to spend $125+ for the ram??? I will cost me about the same about as my LPRC......

If I get enough people interested, I might be able to make a run. Unfortunately, it will probably require $$$ up front for about 12 rams.

Do we have 12 people ready to dish out $125 each, and wait 2-3 months?????

Also I will improve the performace a bit by polishing before Ano, and reducing the required volume of air to move the ram, similar to other aftermarker rams.

vaypourus

05-05-2005, 12:02 PM

I would be down....but I still owe you for the LPRc you have set aside for me.... :confuse3:

I am unsure of the condition of the ram in the addicted, but the fluster had a ram that was pretty worn out. It took 3 different rams to make a "good" condition one for that gun without bad threads or wear.

I would definitly be interested in something that was a bit smoother and durable.

ME262

05-05-2005, 06:39 PM

i made rams, but i never released them, i also have all the cad done for a tribal esq body..... its basicly the same design the cyborg uses, but i didnt use hoses like they decided.

believe me i spent alot of time digging into getting tribal style guns back, i got shot down and ripped off left and right.
the extrusion for the tribal had the main air passage already in, it wasnt drilled.
i had one custom body made, the hardest part was drilling that small hole. the gun drills used to do it broke, the shop i had doing it said just using an external hose would be best...

for the extrusion die, an investment type, was 5k just to make for the first run, after that each 12' run of extrusion was only around 100, but the first 5 k was hard to get for me, and i lost half of it in possible "investors".....so i basicly gave up

i went as far as welding up a old cocker body and used it as a tribal body (but it had hoses.