by request problem with bolt going forward and staying

[jeremy.sears]

Ok both trifade and fluster are doing this (new problem on both) and I am sure it is a noid problem of some sort (because I put the noid from the chrome bbt in the trifade and it worked just fine) but with the fluster sometimes it will let me shoot a few times then it stays forward with alot of preasure. Trifade just shoots forward as soon as you gas up. I cleaned and lubed both with dow33 liberal amount not sure if maybe that is the problem, but the spool moves with very little resistance before puting together.

I did check to make sure that little block on the pilot was lined up ride side up as aposed to up side down.

[Edwin]

Are you talking about the little back-black cap? There is a small little line that lets you know how to align the part. That little line should be on the same side as the output holes of the noid.

Do you have gauges setup when your testing??? If so what are the LP and HP settings, are you having any drop off of these pressures???

[jeremy.sears]

ok update on fluster, yes the mark was upside down, I thought that the only part that had to be in line were the two pieces on the other end. Anywho marker is cycling fine now. ok next step on fluster. Using stock configuration with palmer HPR (stock was putting in about 400) starting at 150 and LPR set about 110 (isnt that a tad high for stock? or no?) chron was at 190-210 turned HPR up to 250 and chron stayed about 200-210

[jeremy.sears]

ok now the trifade update... same situation as the fluster only chron is aboot 168 with a input between 150 and 275 and LP about 100

[Edwin]

Stock HPR on the Fluster??
Whats on the Tri-Fade as I know you don't have the original Tri-Fade HPR??

Are you noticing any drop off on either of the two pressures??
Do you have a brand new noid for testing. You can loose 50-75 fps just from the noid. Also, Andy and I are working on my bolts. It seems that under certain configurations the stock aluminum bolt gets the highest FPS.

[jeremy.sears]

nope used a palmer on both and is normally on my mephisto wich is running like a champ. I was thinking the noid as well, but wanted to hear someone come up with that on thier own, do you think I need to replace both? or is there a part in there I can replace that can fix that up? I know the coil and next piece up arent for sale but aboot everything else is.

and I didnt really try to rock on them since I couldnt get the speed up any higher. But they werent very consistent so I guess that could qualify as drop off.

As far as the bolt, Im trying to remember if I ever actually used it on the twister, it rocked on the chrome BBT so might just have to put the stock back in twister and your bolt back in bbt. I seem to remember a few threads that mentioned due to low quality control on the Tribals that the tubes and bolts dont allways mix well.

[jeremy.sears]

on a side note, how are the LPRCs coming along? any idea if he will be able to match or closely resemble those two colors?

[Edwin]

On the noids, I think a spool will solve the problem. KYTraker has a test setup for noids and he has found that several do flow a lot different. I have a brand new noid that I use for testing, just to rule out the noid. If it doesn't open or close properly, it may be clipping your dwell causing the valve to close early,hmmmmm. maybe a Ram Spring will solve the problem. A lot cheaper than a noid. :)


LPRC update.......hmmmm, well I just received a 106 TILPR and 113 LPC for AOCs today by UPS, but the LPRC parts were not complete as of last Friday. I will call tomorrow for more the status.

[jeremy.sears]

maybe I will just get both (spool and spring), but I will try the good noid thing first, I know the bbt has a very good working noid. Ok when you say ram spring, do you mean the core spring or the end cap spring (getting names off the ZDS web sight)

well I will sit and wait for the LPRCs its almost as bad as waiting for the MQ valve just not nearly as long lol its not the waiting that kills you, its the anticipation! :D

Oh wonderful, no spools in stock! :P one of you guys prob has em all

Bastards

[warpedmephisto]

Oh wonderful, no spools in stock! :P one of you guys prob has em all

Bastards

*whistles to self and looks up and down*... Hmm... I don't know who that could have been...

As far as the ram spring, Edwin's talking about his ram spring that he makes. You can check it out on his products page.

[Edwin]

Yeah that was a shameful plug, wasn't it???

I did mean my ram spring. It will give a little ummpf to your hammer resulting in a more positive valve opening.

I think KYT was getting his from Smart Parts or one of those manufacturers.

[jeremy.sears]

aaahhhhh okies yeah I have the ram springs on (bought a few a little after you released them)

oh update: that idea was a bust on both guns so it prob isnt the noid now, at least I dont think so with that test. oh and neither had drop off when I fired quickly

oh on a side note, The mephy had a slightly rounded end on the ram housing and the spring wouldnt seat, it would go around the rounded part and catch in the threads, I messed with it for aboot 30 minutes before I gave up. Fortunately the mephy doesnt have any drop off probs

[shiftycastro]

http://tribal-paintball.com/tog/showthread.php?t=26

go here that should answer about the spring .........been there done that

[jeremy.sears]

*whistles to self and looks up and down*... Hmm... I don't know who that could have been...

As far as the ram spring, Edwin's talking about his ram spring that he makes. You can check it out on his products page.


well chit, maybe I will have to just send those two markers off for your special attention Mr bill gates of tribal parts and repair :P

[jeremy.sears]

yeah the ram spring had no effect on the fluster so it is still shooting very low

[Edwin]

Do you have a Valve buffer installed? Is there a chance the it isn't letting the valve open all the way?

[jeremy.sears]

that is a possibility yes it does have one and I just took everything off the chrome bbt and put in the fluster to include the grip frame with electronics and it is doing the same thing. but Kaos said he had it shooting just fine just with a different inline, it shouldnt be giving me this much trouble :|

[Edwin]

Sure it should....that is how we learn so much about our Tribals.

With the numerous configurations it is usually difficult to determine a problem like yours.

[jeremy.sears]

stop making sence, Im venting over here :P lol

[jeremy.sears]

hey good call on the dampener, fluster is fine now. Trifade is working better but still a little low I will work on that one a little more later

Thanks

[Edwin]

Haha!!! That's two for me!!!

[jeremy.sears]

lol ok ok I give you big kudos on that one.even huger kudos when I get a nice purty LPRC to go on the tri fade and the twister :D

[warpedmephisto]

Hmm... maybe you should just send that tri-fade over to my house... :D

[jeremy.sears]

lmao for the right price maaaaaybe *scratches chin*

[can'tthink of1]

Doooo eaaaat. I want to see a tri-fade in person. :P

[jeremy.sears]

the body is very nice but as mentioned previously the stock HPR is missing and it is difficult to match up an aftermarket since the purple and blue fade in the middle (actually a little above middle) of the HPR and Ive never seen a stock HPR for the trifade so dont have a basis of comparison. I actually have a few thoughts to present to andy, sort of trade gun for services. :D

[warpedmephisto]

Oh boy, just what I need... more guns sitting around here. Just ask Can't about that one...

[toneloc]

jeremy sears, I believe you are cursed with this problem. When I got the Flame BBT from you off of ebay last december, it had a similiar problem. I think I cleaned the solenoid, and that helped it, but can't quite remember right off hand.

[~kaos~]

that is a possibility yes it does have one and I just took everything off the chrome bbt and put in the fluster to include the grip frame with electronics and it is doing the same thing. but Kaos said he had it shooting just fine just with a different inline, it shouldnt be giving me this much trouble :|
Yep. I had an AKA Sidewinder on it set at 150-ish psi input and was chronoing 290. The only thing I did before sending it to Jeremy was to set the stock reg to 155psi, gas it up cycle it & then pack it up.
Jeremy.... you said you have the lpr at 110?? Try bumping that bitch up to 120, and try a few settings with the hpr (something other than stock) at 140/150/160/170. I can't believe the Fluster is having low velocity issues.... I was having the opposite issue. That's why the input was turned so low. But try raising the lpr psi.... I seem to remember having to run a couple of mine around 125psi to get'em up to speed.

[jeremy.sears]

I finally got it shooting fine then promptly took the grip frame off and shipped to craig lol gonna put the 90 deg frame on it and will most likely put chaos on it as well

I dont remember having a low velocity problem on the flame BBT :| but that was a while ago, and I got rid of the tri fade so all my guns are working now only have four now