Having a problem w/ my BBT

[bakerboy4679]

It's kindof like what Jeremy Sears went through.

When i air up my bbt, the bolt shoots back, and stays back(It has a lot of pressure on it). When i try to shoot, the selenoid area just makes a slight 'hissing/clicking' noise.


We'll, i just got my tribal up and running. I shot it about 100 times (20 balls or so) to adjust the HPR(havent chronoed yet). Then my gun starts doing this.

has anybody ever had this happen? Please tell me what to do. I need it by Sunday to play!!

~andrew

[Edwin]

Do you still have the AOC in the marker???

I did notice when I removed your 8-32 grub screw that it appears that you are using oil (like gold cup) to lube your AOC parts, and I was going to tell you that you should use Dow 33, but I forgot.

The hissing noise is most likely the noid trying to air up, but it doesn't have enough pressure to activate the noid. You need about 30psi to get the noid into its normal position. I would think that you have to take out your AOC parts and relube them then reassemble and try again.

How is you High Pressure doing????? As this could cause your low pressure to be off to.

I doubt it is an electronic problem, if it is then it is a lack of the plastic insulator between the frame and the body.

[bakerboy4679]

well i've been fooling around w/ it for a while and i've come to the conclusion that the HPR is 1. not broken in or 2. not working properly.

I finally got it to work, and what i can see is that the HPR isnt getting air, or enough air. that would explain the selenoid problem. when I air it up, the HPR(torpedo) goes to about 75 psi. I have the reg set around 160.

now when it decides to work, the reg creeps up in PSI, over 200. When i shoot, just once, the reg drops about 60 psi, then slowly recharges. I'm guessing somethings clogging up my reg. i dont know what, and i dont know how.

could it be something as simple as my macroline fittings being in too far? I've never heard of this, but could it happen? could they be 'pinching' the air?

I'll mess around a little bit w/ the fittings and things, and i'll keep you guys posted.

why would the recharge be that bad on a brand new reg? a BL Torpedo at that???


any help would... help..
~Andrew

[warpedmephisto]

It could be the tank not recharging fast enough. What tank are you using and have you put a guage on it to see the output/recharge? If the tank is not to blame and the reg was NIB, I would talk to the retailer that sold you the reg and see if you get a new reg or at least that one repaired. It could just be a lemon.

[Edwin]

Yep, you pretty much need gauges on every regulator to properly troubleshoot this problem. HaveBlue made that HPR chart that had one HPR that didn't recharge quick at all and come to find out it was the on/off tank asa that wasn't fully engaged.

[bakerboy4679]

I'm useing a fairly new PMI tank. 68/3000. i know theres no problems w/ it.

MY HPR, i bought from ~kaos~. He said it was pretty much new.

It seems like the reg isnt getting the air.. its only getting about 100 psi.
I'm going to try just a duckbill asa, to see if it's my ON/OFF. Maybe it's holding back air.

thanks for the help fellas

[can'tthink of1]

Fairly new tank eh? You could have metal shavings off the either tank reg or asa clogging something up. You might need to just break down and clean your reg to start. iirc torps are some of the easier regs to clean.

[bakerboy4679]

k ill try that tonight..

[DarkStar]

Yep, you pretty much need gauges on every regulator to properly troubleshoot this problem. HaveBlue made that HPR chart that had one HPR that didn't recharge quick at all and come to find out it was the on/off tank asa that wasn't fully engaged.

Hmmm, This chart? http://haveblue.org/dyno/5jun04dyno.jpg

What Reg? Was the chart fixed?

O, Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi

-MR

[Edwin]

Ummm, I forget which one, but it was detailed in some text Mike wrote. It probably says in that text, but it is kinda messed up.

Maybe it is the red one all the way at the bottom, but don't quote me. I remember the problem and what cause the problem, but I don't remember the regulator.

[can'tthink of1]

Unless the reg hasn't been cleaned and fixed up at all, or has some sort of blockage, a torp is going to be fine. They are fast enough for timmys lol.

[warpedmephisto]

I think that problem was apparant in the first test that he did, but he made sure everything was correct in this test. Don't quote me though - we really need Blue here to clear everything up. And that red one, WDP minireg, is just how bad they perform stock. Now with my little modifications, they perform much better although I have nothing like this test to prove it - I'm only going by analog gauges.

[bakerboy4679]

ok guys i just got in from the park!! had a blast. anyway.. thats another story.

I took my tribal along, just to chrono it and wutnot. I plug in my tank, shoots fine, EXCEPT the HPR having terrible recharge!?! like 4 shots and i have to wait like 5 sec. b4 shooting again.. semi-consistant FPS though, +/- 5-7
I pluged my friends GenX2 reg in, and it shoots fine, for about 100 shots, then gets clogged/stupid again.
I used the tank all day on my Wrath and it worked fine.



I'm going to try to break down the torp tonight and clean it. WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO CLEAN IT??? (besides cleaning.. wiping) AND DO I NEED TO OIL IT?

I'll test it a little more tonight.. I'll be on frequently.. please respond i fyou have any ideas, and please tell me how to clean my reg.

[Edwin]

Ummm, I never worked on that regulator, but I would use Dow 33 before oil. O-rings wipe away oil too quickly!!!

I bet some of the other techs could give you a run through on the reg.

[warpedmephisto]

Torps are a pretty straight forward reg. You'll just need to remove all the guts (adjusting screw, spring, and piston) and wipe down all the internals. Clean the little bores inside of the reg with a few q-tips and make sure thats all clean. Then lube the piston and put it all back in the way it came out. There's also the reg pin, spring, and seal in there, but you shouldn't have to fiddle with that.

[bakerboy4679]

Thanks Andy. I feel kinda dumb posting this thread, b/c right after i post a question, I go to my desk, and answer my question.. but thanks anyway.

This is interesting but really cool. I got my BBT working perfect. cleaned the reg, and the entire bbt.

The first thing i did, was take off my asa adapter. Upon taking it off, i took out the screw. When i looked at the screw, the top of the screw was really mangled like it had been pinched/cut.(this is the stock one mind you, not Ed's.) anyway, i was amazed at how crappy it was. at this point, i thought about how since there we're pieces bent/broken off this screw, that means theres probably shards of metal in the guns internals, so i started taking it apart.(first time ever on a tribal)
I was taking stuff out, wipeing/cleaning pieces(dont know the names, quick thought, is there a diagram or parts list of tribal parts?)
Everything looked to be fine, o-rings etc.. except for some minor chips/bent metal on the part w/ the prongs( ? ) i guess its the AOC, its near the front.
but i put everything back together(without oiling/dow 33'ing it) and aired it up, expecting leaks. NO LEAKS!!! "yay!!!"

this is the interesting part. When i started shooting, id shoot a few shots while monitoring the HPR psi. (set at 190, when i burst shoot it it stays around 140-50).
Then after testing, i figured to see how fast it could go. I start to walk it, and i just about hit my jaw on the desk. after a shot or two, it would jump up to at least over 13 bps(it has fury chip) . My cuzin came down thinking i was doing a drum roll on my snare drum( i play)!!

It is awsome. I will eventually get a video of it and host it somewhere. soon hopefully.

Anyway, i just wanted to let you guys know my problems are fixed, and my bbt shoots amazing.(fast and smooth)*.


* is there any specific psi my HPR should be running at for my stock AOC, un-adjusted w/ a LPC? i have it at around 190 and its pretty quiet w/ paint(i havent chronoed it yet, so i guess that will be the determining factor)


anyway, i bet your eyes are tired of reading, so i'll stop now. I'm just so excited that it works lol...

thanks for ALL of your help guys :)
~Andrew

[warpedmephisto]

There is no real certain psi it should be running at - just simply whatever it runs the best at. Glad to hear you got it all up and running.

[bakerboy4679]

k thanks.. yeah it was really gross in there, obviously it hasent been cleaned in a while. and hey, i know it probably doesnt make a difference, but there was a little gasket looking thing on the valve.. why? i took it off anyway.. but just curious if it was on there from the manufacurers