So I ask this of all of you...

[warpedmephisto]

Now that I have my CNC mill set up for the most part, what sort of trigger styles would you guys like? I already opt in for a double blade style - being a slimmer and having less of a radius on the humps. Basically your imagination is the limit here, just let me know what you guys would like to see (and buy). :)

[can'tthink of1]

Well, I want a CF one... Not sure of the style yet... ;)

[warpedmephisto]

First run will be out of aluminum (have to ask Blue about the supply I have...) then I might experiment around with other materials like Delrin, Nylatron, CF, etc.

[can'tthink of1]

Thats just a technicality...

As far as triggers styles go

1.Normal blade
2.Somehting like a CP roller
3.Something like a ICD prodigy (sp?)

That should have you covered. Maybe a super nice double trigger one, like a stock trigger, but nicer.

Also, bearings or no?

[goose]

why not go all out and make a totally custom double frame and trigger for these.

something along the lines of a z grip would rock

[can'tthink of1]

I doubt it would be cost effective. Just ask Edwin how well his stuff is selling... Its not good I'll tell you that much. If anything, I think he should make clamshelled styled frames (with the bump in the back, not actual 2 piece frames.) and like 86* frames, that CCM (iirc) makes.

[warpedmephisto]

Haha, then I'm into a whole 'nother ballpark. I will just stick with triggers for now and get those down right and then we'll go from there. Here is the solid model that I created for the "double blade" style. Lemme know what you think...

http://www.warpedairsmithing.com/triggers/doubleblade/1.JPG

http://www.warpedairsmithing.com/triggers/doubleblade/2.JPG

And going with the whole camo theme in my head...

http://www.warpedairsmithing.com/triggers/doubleblade/3.JPG

[can'tthink of1]

Looks like dm3/dm4 triggers kinda, I liiiiike.

[Tx_Aggie]

I'd love to see a scythe style trigger for the tribal. Froth makes a sweet one for AKA guns that he calls the "GST" (G-spot Trigger ). It has all of the bells and whistles - composite material, roller bearing, magnetic return. I don't think all of that is necessary, but I do like the shape. And or course, magnets would be no problem for you.

Here's a link to his website: http://www.undecidedpb.com/

And here's a guy that's making triggers for ICD guns: http://www.acidcustom.com/triggers.htm

Tell you what though, I really like that double blade design. I would definitely have to pick one up!

Just my two cents.... :D

[bullschmidt2k3]

I think either one of those blade triggers liek you showed of that GST would be cool. I'll buy one eventually, but I'm slow getting money for stuff right now. I still have to but a feedneck I said I'd buty from edwin, and I JUST remembered about those stickers :icon_red: I know I'll buy it all eventually, but I have to save up $800 for this class trip I'm doing next spring and I it's hard when I just finished paying off $500 I owed my parents for the half I payed for of a trip to florida. It's hard coming up with money to PLAY paintball, let alone buy equipment.

Anyway, I'd definalty buy one, it'll just be a really long time, lol and after I buy a feedneck

[warpedmephisto]

Composite material and magnets wouldn't be a problem, its the bearings that are tough. On a Tribal the hole location is so close to the front edge of the trigger that I don't think there'd be room to fit them in, but I can play around with it to see.

Just checked Acid Customs and they are using the same exact mill that I am - thats awesome!

[shiftycastro]

I doubt it would be cost effective. Just ask Edwin how well his stuff is selling... Its not good I'll tell you that much. If anything, I think he should make clamshelled styled frames (with the bump in the back, not actual 2 piece frames.) and like 86* frames, that CCM (iirc) makes.

It would be effective ......If the people that said they wanted it would actually buy them.

a few examples:

Aftermarket frames.....cdarnell made tubs
Clamping feednecks....cdarnell made one out of the stock feedneck
What has he recieved a bunch of bitch'n about bieng too tall with a tub and i dont like the stock feednecks. i for one bought several tubs and modded feednecks

lprc... lpc... tilpr...from edwin
What does he get?
They need anno.
He gets them annoed ....and wouldnt you know it the cash disappears like magic out of peoples hands .....hes stuck with all kinds of stuff that nobody will buy. i have bought several of edwins things and not a gripe one of the performance of his products.
bought shirts i didnt even need because i wanted to support him.....damn nifty logo to.

fsdo....edwin took care of that with springs ..... what was the statement again? " That sure is pricey for a spring. "
well i believe i have bought over 15 of those things

vayp went out of his way to get stickers made....... they were a 1.00 for gods sake.
what was that statement? let me refresh.. it was " i have to see the stickers before i can send the dolla dolla "
my personal opinion ... the above statement was the biggest insult ive ever heard in my life.... I would have told you what to go do with yourself.
i went ahead and bought 20 and if he had more just let me know .....i would have bought the rest.

sounds like the people that want all this stuff .....need to start paying for the shit in advance. :2thumbup:

i dont believe im alone in my opinion on this matter .......im just more of a dick and will tell it for what it is ...... as for them they are more business oriented and will say sales are down or just slow.
i for one believe that my friends are getting used in a sense.....and its bullshit. i believe my grandpa told me a couple of times ..... " money talks bullshit walks " and " if you give your word ...you honor it ".
i think there are several of you should take my grandpas advice.


shall i go on .........no.... I think ill just stop here i believe i have made my point and im really starting to lose my temper.
those people know exactly who im talking to.... and you all know where you can go as far as im concerned :aflame:, so use your imagination.




warped just let me get to the end of july there bud.......ill buy 6 of those triggers and get you started.
they can can be your choice of how to make them

[BunkerzU]

what about a tenticle type trigger,that would be a good design to have.

[Edwin]

I have always wanted to try one of those Alligator triggers. Something that has 3-4 bumbs to maybe get faster rakes.

What do you think???

Do you think we can fit a SS Bearing in there also???
If not stainless roller then maybe a oil impregnated bronze bearing.

PM me if you need some details.

Oh maybe they have some nice needle bearings that will fit???

[Edwin]

Opps, I didn't read all the posts Andy, and it looks like your already on the Bearing issue.
I might be able to help find a solution for you.


Yeah that statement by Can'tthinkof1 kinda got under my skin a bit. It is alright for me to whin about sales, but when others say stuff like that it does come of as an insult.

One large problem with Tribal Customers is that they think they are getting a cheap marker and they shouldn't cost anything. But what they don't understand is they are starting off with a cheap marker BASE and to get it to perform like the big dogs they are going to need to invest their money. It is hard to dish out $5 for a spring, but they can dish out $30-$60 for paint every weekend.

Since the ION was release, Tribals are not a way to get a Good marker for a Cheap price. They are pretty much a Collectors market now. If you want it to perform, you have to pay.

Many thanks to my Customers.

And Andy I will buy a few from you and even buy some for stock to add to my website (if that is what you call my little html code).

[Edwin]

Well, I was courious (sp) to the OD of bearings for .125 ID shaft, and most are 1/4" OD. There was one Bronze bearing that I found that does have a OD of .1905 +.000/-.001 and a length of .125 or .250

Maybe that helps. Maybe not.

Good luck!!!

[Theguy]

Stick Trigger.

Just straight, skinny, no bumps. (thats what she said..... OHHH)

[Edwin]

Ummm, bearing looks pretty close to being impossible no matter what OD bearing you get.

The only way possible would require a solid bronze bearing installed before machining the trigger then drill the bronze out from there. (lack of details, but I don't want to type that much if your not going to try it---may just be a waist of time)

[bakerboy4679]

Stick Trigger.

Just straight, skinny, no bumps. (thats what she said..... OHHH)

I think you just made me soil myself!!!!

And hey Andy, What do you think you will be charging for these triggers?

[warpedmephisto]

Yeah, I'd love to do a bearing trigger but there is about zero room forward of the trigger for one. Like you said, it'd almost have to be put in before machining so you could get the one side flat. I think just a very nicely drilled hole (maybe even polished?) and a new SS pin would make it zing. I think I'm going to make the double blade style, alligator, and a regular blade (stick) style. Do you guys like that wicked angle on the trigger like some of the others' have (froth?). Or what about the GST trigger where it has that large radius on the bottom?

Edit: Hadn't come up with a price yet. I was hoping to have them cheaper than Froth's triggers. I was shooting for somewhere in the area of $20-25 a piece, but I'll have to see about ano as well.

Thats another thing, what colors/finishes would you guys want?

[Edwin]

I would recomend doing stock Tribal Colors, and Clear like my lprs. Have Blue said Black sells the most for him, but he only made Black and Clear. You may just want to do one color, unless your planning on making 100 of each style. I would prefer Clear if I had no other choice.

A nice smooth ss shaft and a reamed hole would probably be perfect. If you can get the ano guy to bright dip them it will help, as that is an electro-polishing process.

I would like to see the triggers (at least the ones that would look nice) match the rear curves of the original trigger/frames.

[warpedmephisto]

I will probably just start with polished black and clear and then worry about colors later. I have the first prototype trigger on the CNC right now. It is only going to cut one profile (top) out of the aluminum but it will give me a better idea of what they will look like. I'll post pics when it gets done.

[can'tthink of1]

Yeah that statement by Can'tthinkof1 kinda got under my skin a bit. It is alright for me to whin about sales, but when others say stuff like that it does come of as an insult.

One large problem with Tribal Customers is that they think they are getting a cheap marker and they shouldn't cost anything. But what they don't understand is they are starting off with a cheap marker BASE and to get it to perform like the big dogs they are going to need to invest their money. It is hard to dish out $5 for a spring, but they can dish out $30-$60 for paint every weekend.

Since the ION was release, Tribals are not a way to get a Good marker for a Cheap price. They are pretty much a Collectors market now. If you want it to perform, you have to pay.

Many thanks to my Customers.

SORRY SORRY SORRY! Didn't mean that to come as an insult dude. I just remember you saying stuff like "maybe if people will actually buy them" or "my paypal account is dry" and stuff like that.

Your stuff is awesome, and you're one guy really coming up with stuff that alows tribals to max out thier performance, I was just under the impression your sales weren't so hot.

I also plan on buying some of your stuff too, once this tribal project o'mine (and andy's) gets off the ground.

Once again, didn't mean it to come as an insult Edwin.. You do make great products. :NoWorthy:

[warpedmephisto]

Well this first one out of aluminum didn't turn out too nice. I suppose thats part in due to the cutter hitting my vice, destroying the cutting edges and then continuing on trying to cut... I have some plastic for prototyping this stuff that will be here tomorrow. Then I can run through and make these parts quicker without destroying all of my tooling in the prototyping process. I can say that the overall looks of the trigger from what it did cut out look very nice. Its very slim and has a "fast" look to it.

[can'tthink of1]

It would be effective ......If the people that said they wanted it would actually buy them.

a few examples:

Aftermarket frames.....cdarnell made tubs
Clamping feednecks....cdarnell made one out of the stock feedneck
What has he recieved a bunch of bitch'n about bieng too tall with a tub and i dont like the stock feednecks. i for one bought several tubs and modded feednecks

lprc... lpc... tilpr...from edwin
What does he get?
They need anno.
He gets them annoed ....and wouldnt you know it the cash disappears like magic out of peoples hands .....hes stuck with all kinds of stuff that nobody will buy. i have bought several of edwins things and not a gripe one of the performance of his products.

This is why I said it wouldn't be cost effective, people like you are one of the few that actually go out and buy tons of this stuff. There are sales here and there, but that isn't going to cut it sometimes if he makes runs of these frames, and they just sit around.

bought shirts i didnt even need because i wanted to support him.....damn nifty logo to. I plan on buying one that could fit 2 of me in it

fsdo....edwin took care of that with springs ..... what was the statement again? " That sure is pricey for a spring. "
well i believe i have bought over 15 of those things

It was a bad comment, I know... SORRY! (to edwin and anyone else)

vayp went out of his way to get stickers made....... they were a 1.00 for gods sake.
what was that statement? let me refresh.. it was " i have to see the stickers before i can send the dolla dolla "
my personal opinion ... the above statement was the biggest insult ive ever heard in my life.... I would have told you what to go do with yourself.
i went ahead and bought 20 and if he had more just let me know .....i would have bought the rest.

That wasn't supposed to be an insult, I wasn't too sure how this stuff was going to turn out. I bought 18 anyways, and they are great stickers. I've just been fucked before by not getting pics of stuff first.

sounds like the people that want all this stuff .....need to start paying for the shit in advance. :2thumbup:

i dont believe im alone in my opinion on this matter .......im just more of a dick and will tell it for what it is ...... as for them they are more business oriented and will say sales are down or just slow.
i for one believe that my friends are getting used in a sense.....and its bullshit. i believe my grandpa told me a couple of times ..... " money talks bullshit walks " and " if you give your word ...you honor it ".
i think there are several of you should take my grandpas advice.

Good advice indeed. Is that some sort of thing towards me? Cause I've honored my word (well in the case of the stickers I gave up some black ones too some dude so I only got 18, but still) I plan on buying a bunch of crap from edwin, but it's just taking a long time cause my project is going to take awhile to do, but I still plan on buying a bunch of stuff from him, including a t-shirt thats a couple sizes too big for me.


shall i go on .........no.... I think ill just stop here i believe i have made my point and im really starting to lose my temper.
those people know exactly who im talking to....Yeah, me and you all know where you can go as far as im concerned :aflame:, so use your imagination.

I say I plan on a lot, because I am... I'm going to buy his stuff, its just not going to be soon, but damnit, I am going to. Telling me to go to hell wasn't nice, but deserved... :sulkoff:

[shiftycastro]

if you think i said all that just for you .....i would have just said your name or use a pm.

[JaKaL]

I'd like to see one similar to an e-blade.

Fat and flat...






















noone say "that's what she said" :ArseBeat:

[bakerboy4679]

haha.. you read my mind dude.. :p

[Edwin]

Andy no pictures of the Crash?????

Are you planning on making an Aluminum Plate with threaded mounting holes for your Mill, so you don't have to use a single vice?


O/T Can'tthinkof1--- no prob here. And DO NOT buy a shirt if it is useless to you. I pretty much wrote the shirts off as dead items anyway. Only us fat guys like them. :) Lets take this off Andy's Thread from here on out.

[warpedmephisto]

I might post some pics later tonight. I'm trying the same run out of soft cedar wood right now... man its a lot less noisey and I can run it at 300% feed override so it doesn't take as long. Tomorrow when I get my plastics in to play around with I'll post some pics. Can't just saw it though and said it looks great so far. I will probably end up making a jig so I can do it all assembly line style and make them quicker. Right now I'm just using a chunk of aluminum just to get a profile view of it. I'll figure out all the little quirks later on.

[can'tthink of1]

O/T Can'tthinkof1--- no prob here. And DO NOT buy a shirt if it is useless to you. I pretty much wrote the shirts off as dead items anyway. Only us fat guys like them. :) Lets take this off Andy's Thread from here on out.

O/T heh, big shits over longsleeves are the a-word anyways ;), I'm sure my dad could use one if anything. I said I would buy one, and I'm going to lol. Once again, didn't mean to offend you in any way shape or form.

But yeah, anyways, I saw the proto of the trigger andy is working on, very nice. The bit he was using hit the hardened steel vice though, but still the 1/2 of it that was milled was very nice. Slim, good shape, :2thumbup:

[bullschmidt2k3]

black finish is pretty universal finish

[warpedmephisto]

I'm going to work on some more prototyping tonight. I have a part that I need to do for a friend by Sunday and plus I won't get my plastic in until tomorrow. I need the plastic for his project as well.

[Edwin]

Dude!!!

I just thought of this (you probably already did too). You need to get a Fluster 1x grip and get the CNC outline made so you can convert a few 2x Twister or Mephy frames to Flusters!!! That would be sweet!!!

It definately would be an easy machine process once you got the profile programed. It probably only takes 1 bit too!!!

[warpedmephisto]

Yeah, that would be pretty nifty. I may look at my Fluster and program the stuff in. Probably use a 1/4" ball end mill for all of it. Since its only a profile cut, I would only need to program in a simple shape (rectangle) with the X and Y zero being at the upper left or something. I'll see what I can do. I finished up half of my friends project tonight. I will finish up the other half tomorrow and then I will cut some plastic triggers out to see what they look like.

[TheTramp]

Edwin said it quite a bit above but I'll second it. I'd LOVE to see a trigger similar to the "ripper" (I think) trigger for the Shocker. It's got 3-4 bumps that can be easily raked for several "legitimate" trigger events with one stroke of the finger.

http://www.newdesignz.com/Pics/art_03Shocker-Trigg.jpg

[Justin88]

Those look cool.
Also gooses idea of a whole new frame sounds neat,maybe not a z grip but just a vert frame.

[warpedmephisto]

Heh... frames. The problem with frames (besides material cost) is the fact that there is so much programming put into them and it takes a while to machine one (at least it would on my setup). Granted when I get my coolant system (and enclosure) on it in the next few days here, that will speed things up a little bit, but still its a lot of machining time. I'll probably try my hand at one for kicks, but I don't know if it'd be worthwhile of me to actually produce them. Another thing I have to take into consideration is that I would probably have to charge upwards of $100 a pop and who would honestly pay that?

Other than that, what styles would people like? I was thinking something like a Cyborg frame, but maybe vert. I personally prefer 45 frames over vert, but whatever you guys think...

[JaKaL]

I paid that for a Jackal Machine vert frame...

[TheTramp]

I personally prefer 45 frames over vert, but whatever you guys think...

I also prefer 45's over verts.

[shiftycastro]

Another thing I have to take into consideration is that I would probably have to charge upwards of $100 a pop and who would honestly pay that?

I personally prefer 45 frames over vert, but whatever you guys think...

ahem......cough ....castro

i prefer the 45 frames as well

[warpedmephisto]

Well, that goes without saying, shifty. So if everyone likes 45 frames, then what would be so different about the one that I make, if it would be 45 as well?

[TheTramp]

I could have more of a clamshell shape or something. A little more space in there couldn't hurt.

[jeremy.sears]

I personally love the 90* frames though I only own the one on the fluster right now but I dont dislike the 45 either